1 00:00:24,870 --> 00:00:18,250 [Music] 2 00:00:28,490 --> 00:00:24,880 you're in the para cast the gold 3 00:00:34,380 --> 00:00:28,500 standard of paranormal radio and now 4 00:00:36,270 --> 00:00:34,390 here's gene Steinberg on the para cast 5 00:00:39,090 --> 00:00:36,280 with Gene and Chris we welcome back 6 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:39,100 George Annette and those of you who have 7 00:00:44,579 --> 00:00:40,930 been longtime listeners of the show know 8 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:44,589 that he is number one a member of the 9 00:00:51,380 --> 00:00:48,850 eye team for klas TV channel 8 in Las 10 00:00:53,369 --> 00:00:51,390 Vegas he's one of the few or rare 11 00:00:55,709 --> 00:00:53,379 investigative journalists around these 12 00:00:57,750 --> 00:00:55,719 days before we go on with that George 13 00:00:59,369 --> 00:00:57,760 what has happened to investigative 14 00:01:01,110 --> 00:00:59,379 journalism it seems that these 15 00:01:03,450 --> 00:01:01,120 departments are being cut out work 16 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:03,460 particularly in newspapers and don't 17 00:01:07,350 --> 00:01:04,690 even run them anymore 18 00:01:10,170 --> 00:01:07,360 what's gone on with well it's expensive 19 00:01:12,450 --> 00:01:10,180 to conduct investigative journalism and 20 00:01:15,030 --> 00:01:12,460 a lot of a lot of stations if they had 21 00:01:17,190 --> 00:01:15,040 an i-team type setup have eliminated 22 00:01:18,780 --> 00:01:17,200 them we've made ours bigger we have 23 00:01:19,350 --> 00:01:18,790 expanded and it's one of the biggest in 24 00:01:21,060 --> 00:01:19,360 the country 25 00:01:23,580 --> 00:01:21,070 I mean it's three reporters three 26 00:01:26,700 --> 00:01:23,590 full-time photo journalists and a 27 00:01:28,650 --> 00:01:26,710 producer and we crank out stories every 28 00:01:30,450 --> 00:01:28,660 day I think a lot of it has to do with 29 00:01:32,700 --> 00:01:30,460 the audience you know it's easy to blame 30 00:01:34,350 --> 00:01:32,710 journalism point a finger at TV stations 31 00:01:36,210 --> 00:01:34,360 for cutting back but a lot of it has to 32 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:36,220 do with where the audience has gone and 33 00:01:42,180 --> 00:01:38,370 a lot of folks get their news online 34 00:01:45,090 --> 00:01:42,190 they want the convenience of grabbing a 35 00:01:46,710 --> 00:01:45,100 bit a piece of the story here there and 36 00:01:48,540 --> 00:01:46,720 they don't want to sit down and watch a 37 00:01:51,030 --> 00:01:48,550 newscast I think it's bad in a lot of 38 00:01:51,870 --> 00:01:51,040 ways we don't have a communal campfire 39 00:01:54,420 --> 00:01:51,880 anymore 40 00:01:56,970 --> 00:01:54,430 people are had found their own niches 41 00:01:59,310 --> 00:01:56,980 they find a comfortable place that 42 00:02:01,440 --> 00:01:59,320 reinforces their preconceived political 43 00:02:03,810 --> 00:02:01,450 views and that's the news they watch the 44 00:02:06,540 --> 00:02:03,820 Bulls watch MSNBC and conservators watch 45 00:02:08,190 --> 00:02:06,550 Fox and it just drives a wedge further 46 00:02:11,250 --> 00:02:08,200 and further I think through the 47 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:11,260 community the country in addition I mean 48 00:02:15,990 --> 00:02:13,209 people why they watch entertainment they 49 00:02:18,030 --> 00:02:16,000 watch junk they send out tweets they do 50 00:02:20,699 --> 00:02:18,040 emails that are on Facebook they're not 51 00:02:23,010 --> 00:02:20,709 watching this it's sad and the day will 52 00:02:25,230 --> 00:02:23,020 come when I think 53 00:02:27,510 --> 00:02:25,240 well there are great advantages to for 54 00:02:29,550 --> 00:02:27,520 example the explosion of online news and 55 00:02:31,740 --> 00:02:29,560 bloggers and things of that sort but 56 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:31,750 that is no substitute for professional 57 00:02:36,750 --> 00:02:34,690 journalists who are trained to dig into 58 00:02:39,060 --> 00:02:36,760 stuff who have the authority and the 59 00:02:41,070 --> 00:02:39,070 clout to force people to answer tough 60 00:02:44,490 --> 00:02:41,080 questions as opposed to people that just 61 00:02:47,310 --> 00:02:44,500 write opinions online and post it and 62 00:02:49,650 --> 00:02:47,320 get paid by the word so it's a sad thing 63 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:49,660 in a lot of ways in the big picture but 64 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:51,970 there are pockets of hopeful 65 00:02:57,090 --> 00:02:54,850 developments klas where I work is one of 66 00:02:59,400 --> 00:02:57,100 them I mean I work in the best station 67 00:03:01,170 --> 00:02:59,410 the best news organization in Nevada Las 68 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:01,180 Vegas I think is the best news town in 69 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:02,650 America maybe Washington is 70 00:03:07,500 --> 00:03:04,810 neck-and-neck but there's never a slow 71 00:03:09,300 --> 00:03:07,510 day here and I have the best job in the 72 00:03:11,490 --> 00:03:09,310 best news organization and the best news 73 00:03:13,500 --> 00:03:11,500 town in America so I'm a happy camper 74 00:03:16,140 --> 00:03:13,510 and you've been there for a number of 75 00:03:18,510 --> 00:03:16,150 years which is so rare in the broadcast 76 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:18,520 business where people go from station to 77 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:20,770 station as they do I think the thing 78 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:22,810 that bothers me so much George is the 79 00:03:30,510 --> 00:03:26,650 fact that the cable TV news shows are so 80 00:03:32,580 --> 00:03:30,520 much involved in fake conflicts so much 81 00:03:34,710 --> 00:03:32,590 involved in entertainment more than 82 00:03:36,540 --> 00:03:34,720 delivering the news I am right there 83 00:03:38,460 --> 00:03:36,550 with you on that I mean getting two 84 00:03:40,410 --> 00:03:38,470 people to yell at each other is not news 85 00:03:42,990 --> 00:03:40,420 that's not hard to do either everybody 86 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:43,000 is so where there's a chip on their 87 00:03:47,010 --> 00:03:44,890 shoulder about everything everybody you 88 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:47,020 know what it's like online and on the 89 00:03:51,150 --> 00:03:48,610 air people are ready to fight at the 90 00:03:53,820 --> 00:03:51,160 drop of a hat over some perceived slight 91 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:53,830 and and and they might say my name very 92 00:03:58,800 --> 00:03:56,650 often George in connection with that if 93 00:04:00,600 --> 00:03:58,810 you look up my name you'll see there's 94 00:04:03,150 --> 00:04:00,610 always a pocket of people and I've been 95 00:04:05,220 --> 00:04:03,160 online for 30 years there's always a 96 00:04:07,380 --> 00:04:05,230 pocket of people out there we'll have 97 00:04:10,170 --> 00:04:07,390 nothing better to do than to make up 98 00:04:12,630 --> 00:04:10,180 stories not that I don't do things wrong 99 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:12,640 right I don't screw up or I'm not wrong 100 00:04:17,370 --> 00:04:14,770 quite often but they'll make up stuff 101 00:04:19,620 --> 00:04:17,380 just to start flame wars and it never 102 00:04:21,510 --> 00:04:19,630 ends I know exactly what you mean I've 103 00:04:23,370 --> 00:04:21,520 been on the receiving news and the some 104 00:04:24,270 --> 00:04:23,380 of that stuff myself but the fact is I 105 00:04:25,650 --> 00:04:24,280 like what I do 106 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:25,660 that's why I've stayed there so long 107 00:04:30,469 --> 00:04:27,130 they gave me freedom to go after 108 00:04:33,330 --> 00:04:30,479 whomever needs the attention bad guys 109 00:04:36,629 --> 00:04:33,340 corporations even corporate sponsors 110 00:04:37,950 --> 00:04:36,639 it's wherever the story leads I have the 111 00:04:40,050 --> 00:04:37,960 freedom to follow it and we just want 112 00:04:42,179 --> 00:04:40,060 our second Peabody Award it's pretty 113 00:04:44,489 --> 00:04:42,189 unusual for a local station to get a 114 00:04:46,290 --> 00:04:44,499 Peabody I've got not two of them I was 115 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:46,300 in New York earlier this year we I want 116 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:48,610 to do pot for a program we did about the 117 00:04:53,999 --> 00:04:50,770 foreclosure mass Las Vegas is hard hit 118 00:04:55,589 --> 00:04:54,009 so I like what I do I hope I stay with 119 00:04:57,989 --> 00:04:55,599 it forever and they have to kick me out 120 00:05:00,920 --> 00:04:57,999 because it's a great job and a great 121 00:05:03,209 --> 00:05:00,930 profession and I think we need more 122 00:05:05,070 --> 00:05:03,219 investigative journalism not less I'm 123 00:05:07,980 --> 00:05:05,080 right there with you on that well let's 124 00:05:08,489 --> 00:05:07,990 hope they don't kick you out okay all 125 00:05:09,959 --> 00:05:08,499 right 126 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:09,969 the thing I'm gonna ask and I'm going to 127 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:11,770 relate this to my own experience working 128 00:05:17,159 --> 00:05:13,930 in broadcasting to use for radio 129 00:05:19,589 --> 00:05:17,169 stations and that is back in the 70s 130 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:19,599 when we had UFO flaps and everything and 131 00:05:22,769 --> 00:05:21,370 I was a young whippersnapper news 132 00:05:25,769 --> 00:05:22,779 director of a suburban Philadelphia 133 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:25,779 radio station I got to do what I wanted 134 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:28,210 and maybe they didn't understand what 135 00:05:32,999 --> 00:05:30,370 this UFO and paranormal stuff was all 136 00:05:35,309 --> 00:05:33,009 about and they let me get away with it 137 00:05:37,980 --> 00:05:35,319 you know we had flaps there in Southeast 138 00:05:41,189 --> 00:05:37,990 Pennsylvania and I'd report the stories 139 00:05:43,529 --> 00:05:41,199 and I'd go to the conventions on the 140 00:05:44,939 --> 00:05:43,539 weekend and everything and I was having 141 00:05:47,550 --> 00:05:44,949 fun I was even putting out a UFO 142 00:05:49,110 --> 00:05:47,560 oriented magazine never crossed their 143 00:05:51,209 --> 00:05:49,120 mind that I was doing anything unusual 144 00:05:53,189 --> 00:05:51,219 of course you're a very public 145 00:05:55,439 --> 00:05:53,199 personality in addition to being with 146 00:05:57,540 --> 00:05:55,449 the i-team you've been a weekend host 147 00:05:59,159 --> 00:05:57,550 over at coast-to-coast am so you're in 148 00:06:00,749 --> 00:05:59,169 the thick of it what does your 149 00:06:03,329 --> 00:06:00,759 management think and they just kind of 150 00:06:05,219 --> 00:06:03,339 smile at you or what well they're pretty 151 00:06:07,649 --> 00:06:05,229 supportive they've been they have been 152 00:06:09,749 --> 00:06:07,659 amazingly supportive the thing is I was 153 00:06:12,269 --> 00:06:09,759 you know all re-established I had ten 154 00:06:15,089 --> 00:06:12,279 years under my belt with klas TV Chasen 155 00:06:16,980 --> 00:06:15,099 law mobsters and exposing political 156 00:06:19,950 --> 00:06:16,990 corruption before I ever jumped into the 157 00:06:23,219 --> 00:06:19,960 UFO field so I was the same guy I mean 158 00:06:25,439 --> 00:06:23,229 you know by the time 1989 rolled around 159 00:06:27,269 --> 00:06:25,449 when we did the first Lazar stuff I was 160 00:06:30,570 --> 00:06:27,279 established so you know they knew me as 161 00:06:33,329 --> 00:06:30,580 a fairly regular and dependable reporter 162 00:06:34,950 --> 00:06:33,339 I guess in a lot of people's eyes I went 163 00:06:37,709 --> 00:06:34,960 nuts when I started jumping into this 164 00:06:39,119 --> 00:06:37,719 this crazy field but because I had done 165 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:39,129 other things that people found to be 166 00:06:42,209 --> 00:06:40,930 credible they gave me the freedom and 167 00:06:44,249 --> 00:06:42,219 the station trusted me they knew I 168 00:06:46,079 --> 00:06:44,259 wasn't going to go too far and screw up 169 00:06:48,029 --> 00:06:46,089 today that I had a certain level of 170 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:48,039 discernment and I wasn't going to put 171 00:06:52,490 --> 00:06:50,370 total crazies on I do some homework 172 00:06:55,550 --> 00:06:52,500 so they give me the freedom as long as 173 00:06:57,950 --> 00:06:55,560 there is a good legitimate Las Vegas or 174 00:07:00,260 --> 00:06:57,960 Nevada angle to a story I have the 175 00:07:02,659 --> 00:07:00,270 freedom to case UFOs or cattle 176 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:02,669 mutilations or things like the 177 00:07:07,700 --> 00:07:04,650 skinwalker ranch whatever as long as the 178 00:07:10,219 --> 00:07:07,710 I can make it fit as a legitimate news 179 00:07:12,409 --> 00:07:10,229 story now skinwalker ranch how far is 180 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:12,419 that from Las Vegas oh it's a long ways 181 00:07:17,420 --> 00:07:15,210 it's a good 10 hour drive the fact is a 182 00:07:19,370 --> 00:07:17,430 lot of the principal characters are from 183 00:07:21,710 --> 00:07:19,380 Las Vegas I'm Bob Bigelow who owns the 184 00:07:24,770 --> 00:07:21,720 ranch is here is a team of investigators 185 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:24,780 needs Colin Kelleher they're all here so 186 00:07:29,390 --> 00:07:27,690 that's sort of the link that I made the 187 00:07:31,189 --> 00:07:29,400 ranch itself is a long way away but the 188 00:07:33,350 --> 00:07:31,199 principle of investigators are all here 189 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:33,360 so I didn't know you were a news 190 00:07:36,260 --> 00:07:34,410 director back east 191 00:07:38,300 --> 00:07:36,270 that's not something I knew I'd learned 192 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:38,310 just tonight okay 193 00:07:42,830 --> 00:07:40,770 I try to have all these surprises I try 194 00:07:46,279 --> 00:07:42,840 to bring out surprises I was also the 195 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:46,289 first full-time employee for Jim Mosely 196 00:07:51,469 --> 00:07:49,530 Saucer news I was a managing editor so 197 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:51,479 man that was so much fun that 198 00:07:57,140 --> 00:07:54,210 publication was so much fun for so long 199 00:07:59,719 --> 00:07:57,150 and Jim was such a close friend a lot of 200 00:08:01,940 --> 00:07:59,729 fun so much fun to talk to when we just 201 00:08:04,550 --> 00:08:01,950 really miss him the Deaf listen why to 202 00:08:07,460 --> 00:08:04,560 get into Bob Bigelow for a moment 203 00:08:10,279 --> 00:08:07,470 because he was on coast to coast am with 204 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:10,289 you a couple of weeks back and I'm gonna 205 00:08:13,909 --> 00:08:12,210 ask some crazy questions we'll get on in 206 00:08:15,050 --> 00:08:13,919 the next segment to continue that and I 207 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:15,060 know a lot of our listeners have 208 00:08:20,659 --> 00:08:17,250 questions about mr. Bigelow but the 209 00:08:22,730 --> 00:08:20,669 first one of course is when you worked 210 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:22,740 out the interview with him did he want 211 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:24,570 to know and advance the areas you were 212 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:26,610 going to cover no we had a general 213 00:08:31,730 --> 00:08:29,310 understanding you know because I they 214 00:08:33,649 --> 00:08:31,740 always give it as sort of a green light 215 00:08:35,180 --> 00:08:33,659 to come on when he wanted I think he 216 00:08:36,860 --> 00:08:35,190 wanted to come on and talk about the 217 00:08:39,649 --> 00:08:36,870 space stuff because he's getting ready 218 00:08:41,719 --> 00:08:39,659 to announce with NASA a pretty big deal 219 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:41,729 in which his company Bigelow Aerospace 220 00:08:46,730 --> 00:08:44,490 will sort of be the clearing house for 221 00:08:48,829 --> 00:08:46,740 the next space race I mean he's he's 222 00:08:50,930 --> 00:08:48,839 signed to deal with NASA that he will 223 00:08:53,420 --> 00:08:50,940 basically be their man on the ground 224 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:53,430 he'll identify different companies that 225 00:08:59,120 --> 00:08:56,010 are going to be Nick part of the next 226 00:09:00,710 --> 00:08:59,130 wave NASA is finally agreed to sort of 227 00:09:03,110 --> 00:09:00,720 get out of the way and let private 228 00:09:04,350 --> 00:09:03,120 commercial companies take the lead 229 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:04,360 they'll partner with 230 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:05,890 they'll support them to give technical 231 00:09:09,540 --> 00:09:07,690 expertise but they'll try to stay out of 232 00:09:10,829 --> 00:09:09,550 the way and Bob is right in the thick of 233 00:09:12,900 --> 00:09:10,839 it so that's what he wanted to talk 234 00:09:15,300 --> 00:09:12,910 about I told him luckily we got to talk 235 00:09:18,180 --> 00:09:15,310 about other stuff you know the ranch for 236 00:09:20,310 --> 00:09:18,190 one thing and then conformation he and I 237 00:09:22,230 --> 00:09:20,320 have had private conversations about the 238 00:09:23,460 --> 00:09:22,240 whole disclosure issue these hearings 239 00:09:26,250 --> 00:09:23,470 that are coming up at the end of the 240 00:09:28,500 --> 00:09:26,260 month in Washington and the efforts to 241 00:09:30,750 --> 00:09:28,510 sort of squeeze the government and get 242 00:09:34,650 --> 00:09:30,760 them to admit what we all suspect we 243 00:09:36,810 --> 00:09:34,660 know about UFOs and bob has expressed an 244 00:09:39,090 --> 00:09:36,820 opinion I've heard now from a number of 245 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:39,100 people whom I respect people with 246 00:09:43,590 --> 00:09:41,290 intelligence or military backgrounds who 247 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:43,600 as they talk to me on deep background I 248 00:09:47,430 --> 00:09:45,250 know gene that you have people like that 249 00:09:49,380 --> 00:09:47,440 it would tell you things and got to tell 250 00:09:52,290 --> 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and also very much involved in UFO 335 00:14:37,070 --> 00:14:35,070 and paranormal research and we're 336 00:14:39,470 --> 00:14:37,080 talking about his association in terms 337 00:14:43,370 --> 00:14:39,480 of interviewing and knowing Bob Bigelow 338 00:14:45,980 --> 00:14:43,380 a very wealthy man who may as they say 339 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:45,990 overhaul the space program now over the 340 00:14:50,930 --> 00:14:47,610 years George one of the big criticisms 341 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:50,940 I've had of Congress and the president's 342 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:52,650 is they haven't really given much 343 00:14:57,260 --> 00:14:54,930 attention to the space program they've 344 00:14:59,420 --> 00:14:57,270 lent it language they've let it die so 345 00:15:01,670 --> 00:14:59,430 what is going to happen here with 346 00:15:03,710 --> 00:15:01,680 Bigelow is he going to finance the 347 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:03,720 flights or what he will be doing the 348 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:05,490 same thing his company's been working on 349 00:15:10,220 --> 00:15:07,530 for a while I mean his central focus is 350 00:15:12,710 --> 00:15:10,230 building these inflatable space habitats 351 00:15:14,420 --> 00:15:12,720 one of his habitats in January they 352 00:15:16,430 --> 00:15:14,430 announced it will be added to the ISS 353 00:15:18,620 --> 00:15:16,440 the International Space Station and then 354 00:15:21,260 --> 00:15:18,630 Bigelow quietly announced in January 355 00:15:22,700 --> 00:15:21,270 something even bigger he's putting 250 356 00:15:25,670 --> 00:15:22,710 million dollars of his own money to 357 00:15:28,610 --> 00:15:25,680 build his own private space station a a 358 00:15:30,740 --> 00:15:28,620 rival if you will to the ISS and he is 359 00:15:33,380 --> 00:15:30,750 hoping he is rolling the dice and hoping 360 00:15:35,330 --> 00:15:33,390 that SpaceX or somebody else will be 361 00:15:35,990 --> 00:15:35,340 ready to go to help get it up there in 362 00:15:38,390 --> 00:15:36,000 the space 363 00:15:40,730 --> 00:15:38,400 NASA is now supporting that and it said 364 00:15:43,730 --> 00:15:40,740 Bigelow we want to use your space 365 00:15:45,410 --> 00:15:43,740 modules not only in near-earth orbit as 366 00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:45,420 an International Space Station 367 00:15:50,210 --> 00:15:48,000 contemporary but also as something on 368 00:15:52,070 --> 00:15:50,220 the lunar surface I mean this contract 369 00:15:54,260 --> 00:15:52,080 that he signed that that we talked about 370 00:15:57,050 --> 00:15:54,270 on coast-to-coast pacifically mentions 371 00:15:59,600 --> 00:15:57,060 building a base on the moon and then 372 00:16:01,220 --> 00:15:59,610 going further to Mars and then it says 373 00:16:03,890 --> 00:16:01,230 exploring the outer reaches of the solar 374 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:03,900 system so it's very exciting stuff if 375 00:16:07,550 --> 00:16:05,730 NASA follows through and gets out of the 376 00:16:09,380 --> 00:16:07,560 way and Bigelow is right in the middle 377 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:09,390 of it I really hope that they stick to 378 00:16:13,580 --> 00:16:09,690 it 379 00:16:15,860 --> 00:16:13,590 was mentioning to you before the break 380 00:16:17,570 --> 00:16:15,870 when bob was going to come on the show I 381 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:17,580 basically laid out I didn't tell him 382 00:16:21,260 --> 00:16:18,930 what the questions were going to be but 383 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:21,270 I said for an hour we'll spend time on 384 00:16:24,410 --> 00:16:22,650 the space stuff because I know they 385 00:16:25,940 --> 00:16:24,420 wanted to talk about that and then we'll 386 00:16:28,250 --> 00:16:25,950 in the second hour we'll get into weird 387 00:16:30,170 --> 00:16:28,260 stuff and talk about disclosure versus 388 00:16:32,150 --> 00:16:30,180 confirmation because bob is of the 389 00:16:34,100 --> 00:16:32,160 opinion if you heard the interview that 390 00:16:35,630 --> 00:16:34,110 there is a program underway you know you 391 00:16:37,370 --> 00:16:35,640 and I gene have been around this a long 392 00:16:39,770 --> 00:16:37,380 time we talked about we've heard this 393 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:39,780 rumor every year this is the year the 394 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:41,010 big story is going to come out 395 00:16:44,420 --> 00:16:42,690 confirmation or the government's going 396 00:16:46,190 --> 00:16:44,430 to say something that never happened he 397 00:16:48,980 --> 00:16:46,200 says something that I have heard from 398 00:16:50,510 --> 00:16:48,990 other people whose opinions I trust who 399 00:16:52,130 --> 00:16:50,520 are in positions to know these things 400 00:16:55,250 --> 00:16:52,140 that there is a program underway that 401 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:55,260 that it is it is happening if we hold 402 00:16:58,910 --> 00:16:57,330 our breath for a formal disclosure it's 403 00:17:00,530 --> 00:16:58,920 never going to happen I don't believe it 404 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:00,540 I don't know if you believe it but I 405 00:17:04,189 --> 00:17:02,730 don't see any day when the president's 406 00:17:05,689 --> 00:17:04,199 going to step up to a podium and 407 00:17:07,670 --> 00:17:05,699 announce that yeah you all those are 408 00:17:09,410 --> 00:17:07,680 real we've got crashed saucers and alien 409 00:17:11,179 --> 00:17:09,420 bodies and we've known about it for a 410 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:11,189 long time and we've been aligned that is 411 00:17:15,410 --> 00:17:13,050 not going to happen and for a variety of 412 00:17:18,350 --> 00:17:15,420 reasons so let's move into that here a 413 00:17:21,140 --> 00:17:18,360 variety of reasons now let me just put 414 00:17:22,610 --> 00:17:21,150 my point of view across and then I can 415 00:17:24,530 --> 00:17:22,620 ask you the reasons you think there 416 00:17:26,630 --> 00:17:24,540 won't be immediate disclosure and I 417 00:17:28,580 --> 00:17:26,640 think just look at history look in 418 00:17:30,950 --> 00:17:28,590 history I've known all the so-called 419 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:30,960 greats in the UFO field over the years 420 00:17:37,070 --> 00:17:34,050 even major Donald Kehoe and in the 1950s 421 00:17:38,930 --> 00:17:37,080 when he released his first books matric 422 00:17:41,270 --> 00:17:38,940 hijo said there'd be disclosure he 423 00:17:43,250 --> 00:17:41,280 expected to happen then he complained 424 00:17:45,740 --> 00:17:43,260 about the so-called silence group the 425 00:17:48,410 --> 00:17:45,750 program to keep things a secret and he 426 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:48,420 suggested it's gonna come out it never 427 00:17:52,580 --> 00:17:50,010 came out during his life 428 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:52,590 we've had over the years people saying 429 00:17:56,510 --> 00:17:54,210 it's gonna happen this year it's gonna 430 00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:56,520 happen next year and that we have Steven 431 00:18:01,340 --> 00:17:58,170 Greer saying something's gonna happen 432 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:01,350 this year it never seems to happen and 433 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:04,770 I've expressed in newsletters over at 434 00:18:09,220 --> 00:18:07,170 the power cast forums and the ones we 435 00:18:11,900 --> 00:18:09,230 sent out for listeners what I think 436 00:18:13,730 --> 00:18:11,910 disclosure is not going to happen and if 437 00:18:16,430 --> 00:18:13,740 it happens it's going to be forced upon 438 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:16,440 the authorities what are your reasons 439 00:18:22,430 --> 00:18:19,650 well I agree with you pretty much down 440 00:18:24,380 --> 00:18:22,440 the line if it were forced say by a 441 00:18:26,180 --> 00:18:24,390 couple of things one is the visitors 442 00:18:28,190 --> 00:18:26,190 whoever they are wherever they're from 443 00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:28,200 they can make themselves known as 444 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:31,200 whitley strieber has said before they're 445 00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:33,450 the true architects of the secrecy they 446 00:18:38,180 --> 00:18:36,240 appear to people when they want and and 447 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:38,190 don't appear to others and and if they 448 00:18:41,630 --> 00:18:40,050 wanted to be known they would so it 449 00:18:43,730 --> 00:18:41,640 starts with them secondly I think 450 00:18:45,620 --> 00:18:43,740 they're the government is painted itself 451 00:18:47,780 --> 00:18:45,630 into a corner it's lied to us so much 452 00:18:49,310 --> 00:18:47,790 for so long as one congressional 453 00:18:51,470 --> 00:18:49,320 investigator told me who came out here 454 00:18:53,270 --> 00:18:51,480 at area 51 back in the 90s to look 455 00:18:54,830 --> 00:18:53,280 around and chase down some of these 456 00:18:56,660 --> 00:18:54,840 stories he said look if this stuff is 457 00:18:59,600 --> 00:18:56,670 true these guys are going to go to jail 458 00:19:02,390 --> 00:18:59,610 they've been lying to the public to the 459 00:19:05,060 --> 00:19:02,400 media to Congress they've been taking 460 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:05,070 national security funds from legitimate 461 00:19:09,530 --> 00:19:07,770 necessary programs to keep this cover-up 462 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:09,540 going and they're going to go to jail so 463 00:19:12,650 --> 00:19:11,010 that by itself would be a reason but I 464 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:12,660 think there are some other more 465 00:19:15,500 --> 00:19:14,850 pertinent realities the political 466 00:19:16,970 --> 00:19:15,510 realities 467 00:19:19,550 --> 00:19:16,980 there's no president going to stand up 468 00:19:21,980 --> 00:19:19,560 and announce this stuff we'd be done he 469 00:19:23,450 --> 00:19:21,990 could kiss whatever other agenda he had 470 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:23,460 goodbye because this would totally 471 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:25,650 dominate it assume that he had any 472 00:19:29,900 --> 00:19:28,050 credibility left whatsoever there's also 473 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:29,910 the national security aspect and this is 474 00:19:34,190 --> 00:19:31,530 what Bigelow talked about there are 475 00:19:36,860 --> 00:19:34,200 national security implications if in 476 00:19:38,270 --> 00:19:36,870 fact there is some kind of visitation 477 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:38,280 that's been ongoing that there's been 478 00:19:41,540 --> 00:19:39,810 communication and there are 479 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:41,550 technological secrets to be revealed 480 00:19:45,380 --> 00:19:43,650 which I think there are I think I think 481 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:45,390 there are I don't know if Roswell is 482 00:19:49,610 --> 00:19:47,130 real I mean that's been so muddy there 483 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:49,620 are many of these alleged crashes have 484 00:19:53,060 --> 00:19:51,330 occurred but I think there's hardware I 485 00:19:54,860 --> 00:19:53,070 think there's a small group of people 486 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:54,870 who've studied it and learned a great 487 00:19:59,450 --> 00:19:57,330 deal and they want to keep it to us and 488 00:20:01,130 --> 00:19:59,460 not give an advantage by making someone 489 00:20:02,540 --> 00:20:01,140 else but that might get the Chinese and 490 00:20:03,290 --> 00:20:02,550 the Russians working on it I think that 491 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:03,300 is the reality 492 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:05,730 now you also face the very very real 493 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:07,770 problems of who is it the knows this 494 00:20:12,110 --> 00:20:09,690 stuff disclose what because I mean 495 00:20:14,210 --> 00:20:12,120 there's just saying that aliens are here 496 00:20:15,710 --> 00:20:14,220 enough would that be enough for you 497 00:20:18,110 --> 00:20:15,720 because it wouldn't be enough for me 498 00:20:20,300 --> 00:20:18,120 once you open that box it's hard to cut 499 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:20,310 off the questions I I suspect that the 500 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:22,170 people who know what's really going on 501 00:20:26,510 --> 00:20:24,690 or know more than anybody else it's a 502 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:26,520 very small group might not even be 503 00:20:29,540 --> 00:20:27,930 within government anymore 504 00:20:31,250 --> 00:20:29,550 might have been diffused out there in 505 00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:31,260 the in the private sector 506 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:34,080 just to keep away from prying eyes and I 507 00:20:37,790 --> 00:20:35,970 also suspect that there's no one who 508 00:20:39,410 --> 00:20:37,800 really understands the big picture I'm 509 00:20:41,390 --> 00:20:39,420 not sure we're meant to understand it 510 00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:41,400 I'm not sure these are something as 511 00:20:45,770 --> 00:20:43,200 simple as aliens visiting from another 512 00:20:48,110 --> 00:20:45,780 planet it's alien alright but I'm not 513 00:20:50,150 --> 00:20:48,120 sure that means extraterrestrial and it 514 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:50,160 may be that no one really knows what the 515 00:20:54,500 --> 00:20:52,530 hell was going on well of course we have 516 00:20:56,810 --> 00:20:54,510 talked a lot about other possible 517 00:20:58,850 --> 00:20:56,820 theories about UFOs specially on the 518 00:21:00,560 --> 00:20:58,860 para casts we've emphasized a number of 519 00:21:02,030 --> 00:21:00,570 different possibilities I remember of 520 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:02,040 course this book about ultra 521 00:21:05,660 --> 00:21:03,810 terrestrials of course is the John keel 522 00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:05,670 version and then we had the crypto 523 00:21:10,700 --> 00:21:08,400 terrestrials from the late Mac Tony's 524 00:21:12,460 --> 00:21:10,710 who came on the show occasionally he was 525 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:12,470 talking about another race that 526 00:21:17,300 --> 00:21:15,210 coexisted with us on the earth or maybe 527 00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:17,310 there in another dimension and we get 528 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:19,200 into some pretty strange things but the 529 00:21:22,580 --> 00:21:20,970 one thing George I want to bring out is 530 00:21:25,550 --> 00:21:22,590 we're assuming when we talk about 531 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:25,560 disclosure it's got to be the United 532 00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:27,690 States of America but it doesn't have to 533 00:21:31,730 --> 00:21:29,760 be does it you're right exactly right 534 00:21:34,460 --> 00:21:31,740 Bigelow had talked about that too is 535 00:21:36,140 --> 00:21:34,470 that another thing that could force our 536 00:21:39,740 --> 00:21:36,150 hand if not the visitors themselves 537 00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:39,750 would be China Russia Brazil these 538 00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,720 countries don't necessarily toe the line 539 00:21:46,370 --> 00:21:44,640 and in the countries that do toe the 540 00:21:48,350 --> 00:21:46,380 line are the ones who are our strongest 541 00:21:50,030 --> 00:21:48,360 allies Britain and Australia and Canada 542 00:21:52,670 --> 00:21:50,040 those are the countries that don't 543 00:21:54,590 --> 00:21:52,680 really they've opened up some files but 544 00:21:56,180 --> 00:21:54,600 don't really spill any secrets and don't 545 00:21:57,950 --> 00:21:56,190 talk about this stuff but there's 546 00:21:59,960 --> 00:21:57,960 nothing holding China back anymore or 547 00:22:02,450 --> 00:21:59,970 Russia so if they were to make an 548 00:22:04,490 --> 00:22:02,460 announcement it might actually take us 549 00:22:07,610 --> 00:22:04,500 off the hook let's run our government 550 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:07,620 off the hook by by putting all the the 551 00:22:11,570 --> 00:22:09,690 pressure on some foreign government and 552 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:11,580 letting them answer the questions stead 553 00:22:16,490 --> 00:22:13,890 of ours of course we have that lucky guy 554 00:22:18,260 --> 00:22:16,500 over in North Korea 555 00:22:20,450 --> 00:22:18,270 if they knew something what if a UFO 556 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:20,460 landed there and they captured it what 557 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:21,930 was I thought the same thing 558 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Joel Wallach speaks on 653 00:26:19,710 --> 00:26:17,080 Sunday 654 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:19,720 don't miss prepper fest AZ April 26 655 00:26:23,850 --> 00:26:21,970 through 28 in Scottsdale Arizona for 656 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:23,860 schedule and flyer works two dollars off 657 00:26:29,220 --> 00:26:25,570 go to prepper fest az.com 658 00:26:30,660 --> 00:26:29,230 that's prepper fest AZ comm we the 659 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:30,670 people grow cotton wheat fabric 660 00:26:34,380 --> 00:26:32,770 engraving can bed strips and fibers to 661 00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:34,390 protect from counterfeit and carding to 662 00:26:36,660 --> 00:26:36,130 a private bank having it led back at 663 00:26:38,370 --> 00:26:36,670 interest 664 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:38,380 forcing taxes to service debt this 665 00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:40,090 capitalism what was jefferson correct 666 00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:41,710 when stating a central bank issuing the 667 00:26:44,460 --> 00:26:43,360 public currency is a greater menace to 668 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:44,470 the liberties of the people than a 669 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:46,210 standing army hi Ted Anderson I'm 670 00:26:49,470 --> 00:26:47,650 placing a free silver dollar in a book 671 00:26:52,980 --> 00:26:49,480 that explains our monetary system call 672 00:26:56,190 --> 00:26:52,990 for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time 673 00:27:00,130 --> 00:26:56,200 to understand the system call 866 to 237 674 00:27:05,050 --> 00:27:00,140 that's 800 686 to 237 675 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:05,060 [Music] 676 00:27:17,580 --> 00:27:15,410 with gene and Chris on the para casts we 677 00:27:20,380 --> 00:27:17,590 have George Knapp and we're exploring 678 00:27:22,330 --> 00:27:20,390 UFOs possible disclosure and I want to 679 00:27:25,570 --> 00:27:22,340 ask you a few things in a moment but we 680 00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:25,580 have to cover this there are occasional 681 00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:27,679 conspiracy theories out there about Bob 682 00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:30,320 Bigelow and I guess of course part of it 683 00:27:33,850 --> 00:27:32,809 is with his association with the mutual 684 00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:33,860 UFO network 685 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:36,710 it seemed that information was going in 686 00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:39,770 nothing going out that sort of thing 687 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:41,360 what's your take on that 688 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:43,850 well I've read that stuff and I've heard 689 00:27:47,980 --> 00:27:46,250 it and I don't know I guess i I've known 690 00:27:49,870 --> 00:27:47,990 the guy for a long time so I am biased 691 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:49,880 in this sense he has spent more money 692 00:27:54,850 --> 00:27:52,970 out of his pocket on UFO research than 693 00:27:57,310 --> 00:27:54,860 any person in the history of the world 694 00:27:59,950 --> 00:27:57,320 millions and millions of dollars he's 695 00:28:02,279 --> 00:27:59,960 given it to individual researchers to go 696 00:28:05,169 --> 00:28:02,289 off on their own he's given it to us 697 00:28:07,659 --> 00:28:05,179 organizations and every single time he's 698 00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:07,669 given that the UFO organizations or the 699 00:28:11,980 --> 00:28:09,200 professional ufologists they have 700 00:28:15,220 --> 00:28:11,990 screwed it up I understand that Bob is 701 00:28:17,799 --> 00:28:15,230 sort of a a harsh taskmaster he expects 702 00:28:19,299 --> 00:28:17,809 results from it though from when he puts 703 00:28:20,890 --> 00:28:19,309 up some money he wants to see some 704 00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:20,900 something happening with it not just 705 00:28:24,430 --> 00:28:21,440 give it away 706 00:28:26,590 --> 00:28:24,440 he gave MUFON the chance to have boots 707 00:28:30,010 --> 00:28:26,600 on the ground investigators go out and 708 00:28:31,630 --> 00:28:30,020 find and and investigate these cases and 709 00:28:34,270 --> 00:28:31,640 I know I've heard these stories about 710 00:28:36,399 --> 00:28:34,280 the cases the win to move on and then 711 00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:36,409 they disappear I don't think it's true I 712 00:28:40,390 --> 00:28:38,480 mean I don't think it's true but I 713 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:40,400 understand why Bob would want to have 714 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:43,370 access to the files that he paid for as 715 00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:46,010 for government connections I also 716 00:28:51,549 --> 00:28:48,080 understand those I mean I've seen so 717 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:51,559 many crazy descriptions of Bob his he's 718 00:28:56,289 --> 00:28:53,450 made his fortune from the tea business 719 00:28:59,230 --> 00:28:56,299 or he's a casino owner or he's a shadowy 720 00:29:01,390 --> 00:28:59,240 figure he's not shadowy he's been media 721 00:29:03,310 --> 00:29:01,400 shy over the years because he was 722 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:03,320 worried about he's a very wealthy guy 723 00:29:06,820 --> 00:29:05,090 and he'd like to be able to go get a 724 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:06,830 hamburger without people hitting him up 725 00:29:12,130 --> 00:29:09,530 for money or kidnapping his grandkids so 726 00:29:13,690 --> 00:29:12,140 he never did interviews until I sort of 727 00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:13,700 pushed him into that and now he's much 728 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:14,720 more open 729 00:29:18,610 --> 00:29:16,490 but he's not shadow he's given millions 730 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:18,620 of dollars to universities and charities 731 00:29:24,130 --> 00:29:21,530 here and I'll take it further is that he 732 00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:24,140 does have government connections at very 733 00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:26,480 high levels he's made no secret about it 734 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:28,880 I'm in mid sport when the needs 735 00:29:32,919 --> 00:29:31,130 organization was created was made up of 736 00:29:35,950 --> 00:29:32,929 a lot of former intelligence people and 737 00:29:38,020 --> 00:29:35,960 military people and astronauts folks who 738 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:38,030 had been on the inside who had an 739 00:29:41,950 --> 00:29:40,250 interest in this topic I think that 740 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:41,960 makes sense to have those kind of people 741 00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:45,890 there if you are a UFO conspiratorial of 742 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:48,110 a conspiratorial bent you say oh my gosh 743 00:29:51,310 --> 00:29:49,730 that's the evil government well why 744 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:51,320 wouldn't you want people like that who 745 00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:52,970 know a little bit about how government 746 00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:57,200 works to be they're pursuing legitimate 747 00:30:00,700 --> 00:29:58,610 questions the same kind of questions 748 00:30:02,649 --> 00:30:00,710 that all of us have people oh the last 749 00:30:05,529 --> 00:30:02,659 time years on the radio show with me 750 00:30:08,289 --> 00:30:05,539 made an announcement when he created 751 00:30:11,470 --> 00:30:08,299 bass the Bigelow advanced aerospace 752 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:11,480 whatever the acronym stands for he said 753 00:30:16,299 --> 00:30:13,970 we have a partner he said we have a 754 00:30:19,299 --> 00:30:16,309 partner and he wouldn't specify who the 755 00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:19,309 partner is but it was a sponsor we can 756 00:30:24,130 --> 00:30:21,679 guess all day about who it is he hasn't 757 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:24,140 told me I'm guessing that as some kind 758 00:30:28,029 --> 00:30:26,450 of government connection and I guess you 759 00:30:29,470 --> 00:30:28,039 could look at that in a dark way oh my 760 00:30:31,270 --> 00:30:29,480 god he's partnering with the government 761 00:30:33,490 --> 00:30:31,280 you can also look at it in a positive 762 00:30:35,230 --> 00:30:33,500 way which is I've seen it is the 763 00:30:38,049 --> 00:30:35,240 government or the people who are there 764 00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:38,059 now in certainly agencies don't know the 765 00:30:42,490 --> 00:30:40,159 answers to this stuff and they want to 766 00:30:44,919 --> 00:30:42,500 know they're willing to put up some some 767 00:30:46,690 --> 00:30:44,929 dough to let people who are fairly 768 00:30:49,210 --> 00:30:46,700 professional and who have an interest in 769 00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:49,220 pursuing these mysteries do the work for 770 00:30:53,260 --> 00:30:50,960 them work that they can't do themselves 771 00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:53,270 certainly not out in the open I think 772 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:54,799 that's a positive thing I fully 773 00:30:58,990 --> 00:30:56,570 understand how people can see that as 774 00:31:01,240 --> 00:30:59,000 dark and conspiratorial and Bigelow 775 00:31:03,940 --> 00:31:01,250 wants to take of our MUFON but I'll tell 776 00:31:06,490 --> 00:31:03,950 you I I just think that that is a bunch 777 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:06,500 of BS it's a it's an exaggeration it's 778 00:31:12,580 --> 00:31:09,770 over-the-top conspiratorial and and that 779 00:31:15,370 --> 00:31:12,590 in general what he's done for you follow 780 00:31:18,220 --> 00:31:15,380 gee and for research in the area far 781 00:31:20,289 --> 00:31:18,230 outweighs the negative that some people 782 00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:20,299 have perceived so therefore you don't 783 00:31:24,510 --> 00:31:21,710 think that then we're being theoretical 784 00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:24,520 here that some people in the government 785 00:31:29,770 --> 00:31:26,960 somebody connected to 786 00:31:31,930 --> 00:31:29,780 NSA or something goes to mr. Bigelow and 787 00:31:33,940 --> 00:31:31,940 says look we need your help to 788 00:31:36,220 --> 00:31:33,950 investigate this we're going to let you 789 00:31:38,650 --> 00:31:36,230 in on a few things but you can't reveal 790 00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,660 what they are and it's guilty knowledge 791 00:31:43,300 --> 00:31:40,640 of the reality of UFOs do you think 792 00:31:46,090 --> 00:31:43,310 you'd do it if I were to make a guess I 793 00:31:48,540 --> 00:31:46,100 would say yes and what about you gene 794 00:31:50,980 --> 00:31:48,550 what would you do in that situation I 795 00:31:53,230 --> 00:31:50,990 asked myself that question if so there 796 00:31:54,610 --> 00:31:53,240 was a knock on the door and somebody 797 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:54,620 said look we want you to stop doing 798 00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:56,090 these stories we're gonna let you know 799 00:32:00,430 --> 00:31:58,730 what goes on but you got to stop doing 800 00:32:02,020 --> 00:32:00,440 stories you did still work on it but it 801 00:32:04,300 --> 00:32:02,030 can't go public now would I do it I 802 00:32:05,650 --> 00:32:04,310 don't know I'd be awfully tempted I 803 00:32:07,690 --> 00:32:05,660 would certainly think about it 804 00:32:10,450 --> 00:32:07,700 I guess if they wave big fat dollar 805 00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:10,460 bills almost anybody you'd have to think 806 00:32:16,450 --> 00:32:13,760 and yeah think about it big dollar bills 807 00:32:17,950 --> 00:32:16,460 wouldn't work for Bigelow he's got to 808 00:32:20,020 --> 00:32:17,960 I'm not talking to him I'm not talking 809 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:20,030 about Bob Bigelow I'm talking about Gene 810 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:23,210 steinberger George Knapp because I I 811 00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:25,370 would bet that you would be motivated by 812 00:32:28,900 --> 00:32:27,110 the same thing as me and you're more 813 00:32:30,190 --> 00:32:28,910 interested in knowing what goes on than 814 00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:30,200 making a bunch of money about it 815 00:32:34,420 --> 00:32:32,510 wouldn't you be invaded by finding out 816 00:32:35,620 --> 00:32:34,430 something you didn't know before well 817 00:32:37,180 --> 00:32:35,630 I'll tell you something if I was 818 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:37,190 motivated by making a lot of money I'd 819 00:32:43,270 --> 00:32:40,250 be in a different line of business as my 820 00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:43,280 wife continues to remind me so I don't 821 00:32:47,410 --> 00:32:45,110 want to go there but we understand the 822 00:32:49,450 --> 00:32:47,420 point now let's go back to the 823 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:49,460 disclosure thing because you were 824 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:51,770 implying some things before from your 825 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:53,330 sources and maybe you can give us some 826 00:32:57,940 --> 00:32:55,490 more detail about what you expect to 827 00:33:01,030 --> 00:32:57,950 happen I'm looking for if any disclosure 828 00:33:03,130 --> 00:33:01,040 at all a gradual very slow disclosure 829 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:03,140 that may play out over years what do you 830 00:33:07,210 --> 00:33:05,690 think that's exactly what what I have 831 00:33:08,740 --> 00:33:07,220 been told and you know we've heard that 832 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:08,750 you and I have heard that over the years 833 00:33:13,540 --> 00:33:10,010 it's something like that is underway 834 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:13,550 ever since that study in the early 1960s 835 00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:15,170 about gosh if you do this all the sudden 836 00:33:19,150 --> 00:33:17,600 it could cause disintegration of 837 00:33:21,370 --> 00:33:19,160 societal institutions 838 00:33:23,230 --> 00:33:21,380 it's got to be gradual and you know 839 00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:23,240 we've seen what looks like a gradual 840 00:33:26,890 --> 00:33:24,710 program but I just thought it was kind 841 00:33:28,990 --> 00:33:26,900 of coincidental movies and TV and books 842 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:29,000 and getting us ready but it's more than 843 00:33:32,380 --> 00:33:31,010 that now I and I think there's some some 844 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:32,390 hints that have been dropped in the last 845 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:35,210 year that make us make me think that it 846 00:33:38,050 --> 00:33:37,250 really is going on in addition to what 847 00:33:40,730 --> 00:33:38,060 I've been told 848 00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:40,740 behind the scenes this ex-cia guy 849 00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,960 says all that said out of the blue yeah 850 00:33:47,510 --> 00:33:45,120 I found this box marked Roswell CIA 851 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:47,520 headquarters it it convinced me that 852 00:33:51,650 --> 00:33:49,290 it's real and I can't say any more about 853 00:33:53,810 --> 00:33:51,660 it or you know the people who have come 854 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:53,820 out with sort of fictionalized versions 855 00:33:59,419 --> 00:33:57,450 of the UFO story people with 856 00:34:01,160 --> 00:33:59,429 intelligence backgrounds that's the way 857 00:34:03,140 --> 00:34:01,170 they do that stuff that's one way to 858 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:03,150 tell the story without violating and the 859 00:34:06,620 --> 00:34:04,410 kind of national security 860 00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:06,630 restriction so I think there is 861 00:34:10,070 --> 00:34:08,399 something underway and I think the case 862 00:34:12,859 --> 00:34:10,080 has been stepped up in the last couple 863 00:34:16,129 --> 00:34:12,869 of months I don't expect any grand 864 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:16,139 announcement anytime soon but but it 865 00:34:20,210 --> 00:34:17,970 seems like the pace has been picked up 866 00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:20,220 and if you're paying attention you could 867 00:34:24,020 --> 00:34:22,110 you could see it yourself well let's 868 00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:24,030 look at the examples here can you give 869 00:34:28,580 --> 00:34:26,399 us a few ideas of where we might see 870 00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:28,590 disclosure I don't think it's just 871 00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,639 finding water on Mars no I don't think 872 00:34:36,409 --> 00:34:34,560 it's water on Mars but you know they're 873 00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:36,419 they're edging closer and closer to 874 00:34:39,740 --> 00:34:37,649 saying life is there 875 00:34:43,310 --> 00:34:39,750 it absolutely astounds me that we send a 876 00:34:45,290 --> 00:34:43,320 rover up there to find evidence for the 877 00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:45,300 possibility that life could exist on 878 00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:48,720 Mars but not actual evidence that life 879 00:34:52,909 --> 00:34:50,609 is there they don't have the tests on 880 00:34:54,919 --> 00:34:52,919 the latest Rovers were actually 881 00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:54,929 confirmed that life in there which is 882 00:34:59,090 --> 00:34:57,119 ridiculous why do you send a probe that 883 00:35:02,210 --> 00:34:59,100 far spend the money on it and not 884 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:02,220 answering the central question that's on 885 00:35:07,490 --> 00:35:05,130 everyone's mind I think it it shows that 886 00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:07,500 it is sort of that shows me that they're 887 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:10,440 doing it in bits and pieces and in steps 888 00:35:14,510 --> 00:35:12,210 at a time 889 00:35:16,340 --> 00:35:14,520 it sounds like damn peculiar you know 890 00:35:19,370 --> 00:35:16,350 you look at all the evidence you could 891 00:35:22,820 --> 00:35:19,380 uncover and you wonder how much they can 892 00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:22,830 do and it's possible I guess for the 893 00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:24,510 lunar Rovers to be doing a lot more than 894 00:35:29,330 --> 00:35:26,720 we are told 895 00:35:32,660 --> 00:35:29,340 remember the Viking Viking back in the 896 00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:32,670 70s been attested that the initial 897 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:35,910 result was we found life and on NASA was 898 00:35:40,580 --> 00:35:37,770 oh no no no wait a second hold on let's 899 00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:40,590 back way up and and and we've got to 900 00:35:44,060 --> 00:35:42,150 back off that that's not what we found 901 00:35:46,490 --> 00:35:44,070 but they had a test back then that 902 00:35:48,050 --> 00:35:46,500 confirm life and since then all these 903 00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:48,060 probes that have gone up there don't 904 00:35:51,410 --> 00:35:49,920 have the same kind of capabilities to 905 00:35:54,170 --> 00:35:51,420 answer that question 906 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:54,180 you got a rover there now that can drill 907 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:54,570 under the 908 00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:56,610 ground that can analyze soil but it 909 00:36:01,160 --> 00:35:58,560 doesn't have the capability to detect 910 00:36:03,410 --> 00:36:01,170 actual life just the conditions for life 911 00:36:05,570 --> 00:36:03,420 that makes no sense to me that says that 912 00:36:07,790 --> 00:36:05,580 they're stretching to death it just it 913 00:36:09,620 --> 00:36:07,800 says to me and in big bold letters or 914 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:09,630 bloody handwriting on the wall that 915 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:12,690 they're dragging is stuff off well as we 916 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:14,970 say how do we know that they don't have 917 00:36:19,250 --> 00:36:16,650 the equipment I mean look how much 918 00:36:22,220 --> 00:36:19,260 capabilities we can put into an iPhone 919 00:36:25,130 --> 00:36:22,230 and then think about putting a few of 920 00:36:26,690 --> 00:36:25,140 those on board or over and think of what 921 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:26,700 it could do and what its capabilities 922 00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:29,370 would be what kind of analysis can be 923 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:32,730 conducted it gets really you're just 924 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:33,810 saying we don't get to see the results 925 00:36:37,820 --> 00:36:36,090 well it's always a possibility I have to 926 00:36:49,019 --> 00:36:37,830 wonder about that George Knapp joining 927 00:36:54,670 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00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:37,300 no I do not I don't have any children I 1017 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:40,110 just got married a couple of years ago 1018 00:41:46,650 --> 00:41:44,050 by I have protegees that I've tried to 1019 00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:46,660 pass some things along to and still some 1020 00:41:51,780 --> 00:41:48,910 some lessons I've learned over the years 1021 00:41:53,340 --> 00:41:51,790 so at least klas TV I think is in good 1022 00:41:55,710 --> 00:41:53,350 hands for a long time to come even after 1023 00:41:58,410 --> 00:41:55,720 I'm gone which I I don't think hope is 1024 00:42:00,750 --> 00:41:58,420 anytime soon well with people living to 1025 00:42:03,390 --> 00:42:00,760 114 these days I guess you have a few 1026 00:42:06,300 --> 00:42:03,400 years left I'm ready for the singularity 1027 00:42:08,730 --> 00:42:06,310 okay well that's very good a singularity 1028 00:42:10,830 --> 00:42:08,740 you know I have kind of a quick question 1029 00:42:13,020 --> 00:42:10,840 I want to do a segue here and then we'll 1030 00:42:15,780 --> 00:42:13,030 get back to other subjects about UFOs 1031 00:42:18,330 --> 00:42:15,790 this is about your regular work at klas 1032 00:42:20,250 --> 00:42:18,340 channel 8 member of the i-team and 1033 00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:20,260 everything Chris would you please get 1034 00:42:25,050 --> 00:42:22,720 that question from the forums George is 1035 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:25,060 a question from solarian who has been a 1036 00:42:30,990 --> 00:42:27,970 poster on the forums for about a year 1037 00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:31,000 and a half now and a simple question he 1038 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:33,250 says how well is Nevada coping with the 1039 00:42:40,140 --> 00:42:36,330 invasion of Mexican drug lords well it's 1040 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:40,150 basically they've overrun the state and 1041 00:42:46,740 --> 00:42:44,530 and and dominated the meth trade five 1042 00:42:49,140 --> 00:42:46,750 years ago I would go out on these raids 1043 00:42:51,450 --> 00:42:49,150 with a narcotics team of meth labs all 1044 00:42:54,060 --> 00:42:51,460 over bath tub net labs and meth labs and 1045 00:42:56,430 --> 00:42:54,070 cars and homes that would burn down and 1046 00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:56,440 fumes from terrible chemicals they're 1047 00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:58,690 gone now those homemade meth labs are 1048 00:43:04,770 --> 00:43:00,400 all but gone there might be one or two a 1049 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:04,780 year here because the cheap meth has has 1050 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:08,650 flooded the market Nevada Las Vegas in 1051 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:11,170 particular sort of a distribution point 1052 00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:13,450 for these Mexican drug lords they make 1053 00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:15,730 so much money a lot of it end 1054 00:43:21,630 --> 00:43:17,920 I think probably being laundered at 1055 00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:21,640 casinos was a guy who was busted he was 1056 00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:24,609 a Chinese national who went to Mexico 1057 00:43:29,070 --> 00:43:26,800 imported all these hard to get a 1058 00:43:31,260 --> 00:43:29,080 chemicals from China allegedly became 1059 00:43:33,630 --> 00:43:31,270 sort of a meth kingpin with this 1060 00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:33,640 gigantic lab they had popped his house 1061 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:35,710 in Mexico City and you might have seen 1062 00:43:41,099 --> 00:43:39,130 these photos online a room full of money 1063 00:43:42,750 --> 00:43:41,109 I mean stacked up six feet high hundred 1064 00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:42,760 dollar bills on these pallets at full 1065 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:44,800 the whole room it was a regular here in 1066 00:43:50,310 --> 00:43:48,490 Las Vegas treated like royalty a lot of 1067 00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:50,320 restrictions have been placed on the 1068 00:43:53,730 --> 00:43:51,760 casino industry you're supposed to keep 1069 00:43:55,170 --> 00:43:53,740 tabs on these guys and keep some kind of 1070 00:43:57,210 --> 00:43:55,180 a general idea where the money comes 1071 00:43:58,800 --> 00:43:57,220 from but really when you got that kind 1072 00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,810 of money you could pretty much write 1073 00:44:03,090 --> 00:44:00,400 your own ticket so the answer the 1074 00:44:06,359 --> 00:44:03,100 question is the meth folks the Mexican 1075 00:44:08,670 --> 00:44:06,369 drug lords are here their carnage is on 1076 00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:08,680 our streets daily it's not as bad as 1077 00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:11,520 like this some areas of the border where 1078 00:44:16,349 --> 00:44:13,510 beheadings are a regular thing or 1079 00:44:18,750 --> 00:44:16,359 torture but but it it pops up here now 1080 00:44:22,290 --> 00:44:18,760 then well you have to think the war on 1081 00:44:24,540 --> 00:44:22,300 drugs has been a monumental failure lots 1082 00:44:26,580 --> 00:44:24,550 a waste it's such a waste of money and 1083 00:44:29,070 --> 00:44:26,590 resources and time in people's lives 1084 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:29,080 it's it seems like the little guys are 1085 00:44:33,780 --> 00:44:30,690 the one to do the time the big guys 1086 00:44:36,510 --> 00:44:33,790 enjoy the benefits of the illegal trade 1087 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:36,520 and it's totally upside down in my 1088 00:44:40,260 --> 00:44:38,290 opinion and we have to look about 1089 00:44:43,050 --> 00:44:40,270 for-profit prisons like we have in 1090 00:44:45,450 --> 00:44:43,060 Arizona what a waste 1091 00:44:46,620 --> 00:44:45,460 anyway let's get into other subjects we 1092 00:44:47,940 --> 00:44:46,630 have lots of questions from our 1093 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:47,950 listeners this could almost feel the 1094 00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:49,690 full show I think but we'll see where 1095 00:44:55,650 --> 00:44:53,200 habits this question comes from nameless 1096 00:44:59,340 --> 00:44:55,660 who's been a poster at forum dr. Peric 1097 00:45:01,230 --> 00:44:59,350 ascom for over two years and Georgie 1098 00:45:04,109 --> 00:45:01,240 wants to know if there's any new info on 1099 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:04,119 the skinwalker case what hypotheses have 1100 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:05,770 you derived from this event and how is 1101 00:45:11,010 --> 00:45:08,290 it altered if at all your paradigm or 1102 00:45:12,570 --> 00:45:11,020 how you look at the paranormal and are 1103 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:12,580 there any other cases that you've heard 1104 00:45:17,490 --> 00:45:14,050 about that have had so much 1105 00:45:20,370 --> 00:45:17,500 proliferation of paranormal activity Wow 1106 00:45:22,620 --> 00:45:20,380 well it's totally changed my view I mean 1107 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:22,630 I entered the field like a lot of people 1108 00:45:27,450 --> 00:45:25,450 do with the basic and nuts of bolts UFOs 1109 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:27,460 they're their craft from other worlds 1110 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:29,050 they're piloted by expert 1111 00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:30,850 restrooms visiting us from other planets 1112 00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:34,240 and and you know looking for evidence or 1113 00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:36,160 information that would either verify or 1114 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:38,710 reflect on that theory interviewing 1115 00:45:42,750 --> 00:45:41,050 witnesses looking at documents that kind 1116 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:42,760 of thing but it's not that simple 1117 00:45:46,140 --> 00:45:43,330 anymore 1118 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:46,150 and I think that that is the major thing 1119 00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:48,250 that the experience of the ranch taught 1120 00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:51,520 me that it's not as simple as as 1121 00:45:55,170 --> 00:45:53,200 somebody coming here from other another 1122 00:45:57,090 --> 00:45:55,180 planet Rockville a once told me that he 1123 00:45:58,980 --> 00:45:57,100 said if he if it turns out that the 1124 00:46:00,600 --> 00:45:58,990 answer to the UFO mystery is people just 1125 00:46:02,850 --> 00:46:00,610 visiting from another planet I'm going 1126 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:02,860 to be really disappointed because the 1127 00:46:07,020 --> 00:46:05,050 ultimate truth is much bigger and it 1128 00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:07,030 points to a much more complicated and 1129 00:46:13,230 --> 00:46:11,920 wondrous cosmos and and it asks some 1130 00:46:15,390 --> 00:46:13,240 really important questions about the 1131 00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:15,400 nature reality itself I don't know of 1132 00:46:20,670 --> 00:46:17,920 any place in the world that's had as 1133 00:46:23,370 --> 00:46:20,680 much concentrated paranormal weird 1134 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:23,380 activity as the Uintah Basin and in 1135 00:46:28,860 --> 00:46:25,930 particular the ranch it is certainly the 1136 00:46:30,780 --> 00:46:28,870 most intensely studied paranormal 1137 00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:30,790 hotspot I think in history there have 1138 00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:33,040 been studies underway and hessdalen and 1139 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:34,990 places like that around the world but 1140 00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,290 not 24/7 cameras scientists on duty all 1141 00:46:42,690 --> 00:46:40,480 the time not like what nits did at that 1142 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:42,700 ranch and and then they in the larger 1143 00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:46,810 basin I don't think there's any any kind 1144 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:48,730 of paranormal activity you can think of 1145 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:50,770 that is not occurred in that general 1146 00:46:55,500 --> 00:46:53,170 area and it's not just the ranch it's 1147 00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:55,510 it's a much larger area but the ranch is 1148 00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:56,800 certainly one of the hotspots 1149 00:47:01,740 --> 00:46:59,200 I'm the the family that was on the ranch 1150 00:47:03,660 --> 00:47:01,750 for a long time came up with dozens of 1151 00:47:05,130 --> 00:47:03,670 really strange things that happen they 1152 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:05,140 weren't looking for them to happen they 1153 00:47:08,130 --> 00:47:06,850 weren't looking for attention they 1154 00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:08,140 thought for a long time it was the 1155 00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:09,520 government trying to dry them off the 1156 00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:11,200 drive them off their property then the 1157 00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:13,510 Nidan guy came in it's almost like the 1158 00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:15,520 movie poltergeist for the scientists 1159 00:47:19,290 --> 00:47:17,110 come to the rescue to help figure things 1160 00:47:21,450 --> 00:47:19,300 out and then they get terrorized as well 1161 00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:21,460 those guys all of them phd-level 1162 00:47:26,190 --> 00:47:23,920 scientists they looked for per se 1163 00:47:28,380 --> 00:47:26,200 explanation they try to find are there 1164 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:28,390 magic mushrooms on the ground that are 1165 00:47:33,780 --> 00:47:31,290 making people have-have you know 1166 00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:33,790 hallucinations are there gravity 1167 00:47:37,980 --> 00:47:36,310 anomalies is there some sort of physical 1168 00:47:39,870 --> 00:47:37,990 explanation for what people have been 1169 00:47:41,550 --> 00:47:39,880 seeing there for 50 years and they 1170 00:47:42,900 --> 00:47:41,560 couldn't come up with one I don't know 1171 00:47:45,029 --> 00:47:42,910 what the answer is I just 1172 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:45,039 know what it isn't and trying to say 1173 00:47:51,329 --> 00:47:47,890 that it was its UFOs alone although 1174 00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:51,339 there were UFO type craft seen there it 1175 00:47:54,990 --> 00:47:53,200 doesn't fit the explanation at least 1176 00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:55,000 doesn't fit the explanation of what we 1177 00:48:00,539 --> 00:47:57,490 think we understand about ETS because 1178 00:48:03,269 --> 00:48:00,549 these these craft would appear and 1179 00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:03,279 disappear would would fly into mountains 1180 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:06,640 would they look sort of like UFOs and 1181 00:48:10,769 --> 00:48:08,890 then they didn't they behaved sort of 1182 00:48:14,009 --> 00:48:10,779 like UFOs and then they didn't there was 1183 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:14,019 no no event in the more than 130 or so 1184 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:17,890 events that were investigated no event 1185 00:48:22,049 --> 00:48:20,650 ever happened the same way again which 1186 00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:22,059 makes it really tough to get 1187 00:48:27,180 --> 00:48:25,839 reproducible results or evidence a lot 1188 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:27,190 of folks have questioned whether there's 1189 00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:29,170 any any evidence at all we can get into 1190 00:48:35,339 --> 00:48:31,529 that that issue a little bit later but 1191 00:48:37,529 --> 00:48:35,349 overall you know you have to applaud the 1192 00:48:39,210 --> 00:48:37,539 knids folks who went in there spend so 1193 00:48:41,940 --> 00:48:39,220 much time and energy to try to figure 1194 00:48:44,430 --> 00:48:41,950 this out and we're not married to any 1195 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:44,440 kind of thesis and I'm not married to it 1196 00:48:48,329 --> 00:48:46,210 we worked on the book column Kelleher 1197 00:48:50,819 --> 00:48:48,339 and i and looked at all these cases 1198 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:50,829 talked to all these people and we have 1199 00:48:56,059 --> 00:48:53,410 no idea what the heck is going on there 1200 00:48:59,309 --> 00:48:56,069 to this day have no idea it seems to be 1201 00:49:01,740 --> 00:48:59,319 dimensional it seems to be like the 1202 00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:01,750 ranch and they be you intubation there's 1203 00:49:05,460 --> 00:49:03,730 a place where it's like the Irish have a 1204 00:49:09,089 --> 00:49:05,470 saying a place where the world is thin 1205 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:09,099 where some other reality bleeds into 1206 00:49:14,279 --> 00:49:12,210 ours it's disconcerting in a lot of ways 1207 00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:14,289 it sort of brings us back to this 1208 00:49:18,509 --> 00:49:15,609 closure I don't want to get off on a 1209 00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:18,519 tangent but you say you talk about the 1210 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:20,559 the willingness to let's have the 1211 00:49:24,269 --> 00:49:22,690 government come clean I don't think the 1212 00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:24,279 government knows the ultimate story I 1213 00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:25,839 don't know that anybody does the 1214 00:49:30,569 --> 00:49:27,609 ultimate story and if you were to 1215 00:49:32,999 --> 00:49:30,579 disclose what some people do though the 1216 00:49:35,069 --> 00:49:33,009 idea that there is something like what 1217 00:49:37,470 --> 00:49:35,079 Mack Tawny's talked about ultra 1218 00:49:40,049 --> 00:49:37,480 terrestrials that we live in the middle 1219 00:49:42,569 --> 00:49:40,059 of some other civilization which is sort 1220 00:49:44,519 --> 00:49:42,579 of what I come away from the skinwalker 1221 00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:44,529 ranch with is that there's somebody else 1222 00:49:49,890 --> 00:49:47,529 that's in charge we we are living among 1223 00:49:53,089 --> 00:49:49,900 them as opposed to them living among us 1224 00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:53,099 they come and go into our world at will 1225 00:50:00,640 --> 00:49:56,720 other creatures come and go at will 1226 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:00,650 we're stuck here and so it if we were to 1227 00:50:04,990 --> 00:50:02,810 explain to the public hey there's 1228 00:50:07,089 --> 00:50:05,000 another reality they can see what we do 1229 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:07,099 you're in the shower when you're 1230 00:50:10,540 --> 00:50:09,050 sleeping they can see you they can read 1231 00:50:10,990 --> 00:50:10,550 your thoughts they know what you're up 1232 00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:11,000 to 1233 00:50:15,790 --> 00:50:13,250 you can't see them I think people would 1234 00:50:18,010 --> 00:50:15,800 freak out I'll tell you I think if they 1235 00:50:20,290 --> 00:50:18,020 saw me in the shower they freaked out on 1236 00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:20,300 a different way they run out the door 1237 00:50:25,630 --> 00:50:23,359 screaming and yelling in abject fear 1238 00:50:27,460 --> 00:50:25,640 I'll tell you that right now I have to 1239 00:50:29,859 --> 00:50:27,470 say that but as our listeners really 1240 00:50:32,530 --> 00:50:29,869 know I've been advocating for alternate 1241 00:50:35,740 --> 00:50:32,540 Furies about UFOs for many many years I 1242 00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:35,750 go back in the 1960s where for example I 1243 00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:38,690 believed that UFOs were spaceships and 1244 00:50:43,930 --> 00:50:40,569 then after we had that fateful 1245 00:50:46,420 --> 00:50:43,940 conversation with Allen Greenfield one a 1246 00:50:48,099 --> 00:50:46,430 New Year's evening I came away with a 1247 00:50:49,780 --> 00:50:48,109 different point of view because we 1248 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:49,790 started talking we started looking at 1249 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:51,410 the evidence and we came to the 1250 00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:53,450 realization that things in the UFO field 1251 00:50:57,370 --> 00:50:55,310 weren't quite what we thought they were 1252 00:50:59,530 --> 00:50:57,380 let me ask you quickly because we have 1253 00:51:01,540 --> 00:50:59,540 to do the break do you think the reason 1254 00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:01,550 we see more things happening in and 1255 00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:03,680 around skinwalker ranch is because so 1256 00:51:08,109 --> 00:51:05,839 much effort is being expended towards 1257 00:51:09,819 --> 00:51:08,119 investigating it there that's kind of a 1258 00:51:11,530 --> 00:51:09,829 cliffhanger question and I'd like you to 1259 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:11,540 answer it during our next segment 1260 00:51:16,300 --> 00:51:13,970 whether it's the attention that's 1261 00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:16,310 causing either more events on a 1262 00:51:20,890 --> 00:51:19,040 reflective basis or simply because we're 1263 00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:20,900 paying it more attention we see more 1264 00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:22,970 cases there if we pay that amount of 1265 00:51:27,220 --> 00:51:25,130 attention elsewhere maybe we see the 1266 00:51:31,060 --> 00:51:27,230 same phenomenon we have George Knapp 1267 00:51:36,700 --> 00:51:31,070 joining us you're in the air iPad 1268 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:38,430 [Music] 1269 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:41,170 are you tired of searching for great 1270 00:51:49,650 --> 00:51:44,290 talk radio more important search three 1271 00:51:51,329 --> 00:51:49,660 over we are the GCM radio network hi 1272 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:51,339 this is Ted Anderson if you'd like to 1273 00:51:55,740 --> 00:51:53,410 listen to GCN programs on the goal I 1274 00:51:57,900 --> 00:51:55,750 have great news gzn has created a Droid 1275 00:52:00,450 --> 00:51:57,910 and iPhone application and 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00:53:09,480 Obama's a secret war on coal that could 1304 00:53:14,660 --> 00:53:11,580 increase your already high power bill as 1305 00:53:15,590 --> 00:53:14,670 much as 40% in coming months as shocking 1306 00:53:17,390 --> 00:53:15,600 as it sounds 1307 00:53:19,250 --> 00:53:17,400 it may well be just a matter of time 1308 00:53:21,470 --> 00:53:19,260 before the lights start going out across 1309 00:53:23,930 --> 00:53:21,480 America but here are some good news 1310 00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:23,940 there's an underground video it exposed 1311 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:26,610 one two three dot-com that thousands of 1312 00:53:30,170 --> 00:53:28,410 smart Patriots have used to end their 1313 00:53:32,930 --> 00:53:30,180 slavery to the corrupt electricity 1314 00:53:34,850 --> 00:53:32,940 monopoly the video had exposed one two 1315 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:34,860 three dot-com has already been banned by 1316 00:53:38,810 --> 00:53:37,050 Google and the liberal media is doing 1317 00:53:41,180 --> 00:53:38,820 everything in its power to take it down 1318 00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:41,190 and keep America in the dark so watch it 1319 00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:43,440 now to expose one two three dot-com 1320 00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:44,730 before it's too late 1321 00:54:02,560 --> 00:53:58,250 welcome back to the para cast the gold 1322 00:54:10,610 --> 00:54:02,570 standard of paranormal radio and now 1323 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:10,620 here's Jane Steinberg with gene and 1324 00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:12,690 Chris on the para cast we have George 1325 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:13,680 Knapp joining us 1326 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:15,770 of course he spent a lot of time 1327 00:54:20,420 --> 00:54:18,570 investigating the strange goings-on at 1328 00:54:22,910 --> 00:54:20,430 the skinwalker ranch so there's the 1329 00:54:25,370 --> 00:54:22,920 question there do you think it's the 1330 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:25,380 fact that we have so much resources 1331 00:54:31,970 --> 00:54:27,930 expended there that so much happens is 1332 00:54:33,470 --> 00:54:31,980 it a reflective phenomenon what that's a 1333 00:54:35,930 --> 00:54:33,480 great question I don't think I've ever 1334 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:35,940 answered that before but I'll just get 1335 00:54:39,620 --> 00:54:37,770 philosophical for a second it's sort of 1336 00:54:40,940 --> 00:54:39,630 like if a tree falls in the forest and 1337 00:54:43,310 --> 00:54:40,950 no one's around to hear it kind of a 1338 00:54:45,500 --> 00:54:43,320 question there are a lot of quantum 1339 00:54:48,290 --> 00:54:45,510 physicists who are exploring these kinds 1340 00:54:50,900 --> 00:54:48,300 of questions as we speak in the universe 1341 00:54:54,290 --> 00:54:50,910 affected by observation is it created 1342 00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:54,300 basically for our viewing pleasure if we 1343 00:54:57,170 --> 00:54:55,920 weren't here to watch it would it be the 1344 00:54:59,810 --> 00:54:57,180 same and I think that's a legitimate 1345 00:55:03,230 --> 00:54:59,820 question and I I suspect it has 1346 00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:03,240 substance to it I am I'm certain that in 1347 00:55:08,690 --> 00:55:06,240 part this is a reactive phenomena on the 1348 00:55:10,580 --> 00:55:08,700 ranch that interacted that a lot of what 1349 00:55:12,860 --> 00:55:10,590 happened what was observed is because 1350 00:55:15,950 --> 00:55:12,870 these guys were there focusing on that I 1351 00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:15,960 also suspect that if you were to focus 1352 00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:18,480 those gotten resources in any particular 1353 00:55:23,210 --> 00:55:21,450 area you might find it wouldn't be 1354 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:23,220 everywhere but certainly a lot of other 1355 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:26,010 places one of the reasons that Bigelow 1356 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:28,170 sort of gave me the green light to write 1357 00:55:32,090 --> 00:55:30,210 about the ranch and to publicize some of 1358 00:55:34,610 --> 00:55:32,100 the things that happen is because the 1359 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:34,620 activity went underground for a long 1360 00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:36,810 time the level of activity was way way 1361 00:55:39,830 --> 00:55:38,730 down and they were interested in seeing 1362 00:55:42,050 --> 00:55:39,840 that there were other places 1363 00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,060 particularly in the West that were 1364 00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:44,160 similar things had been reported that 1365 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:45,690 they could go and study and sure enough 1366 00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:47,970 when the story came out all of a sudden 1367 00:55:52,070 --> 00:55:50,880 I get flooded with stuff about yeah that 1368 00:55:54,260 --> 00:55:52,080 happened here there was a place in 1369 00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:54,270 Colorado I think one of your one of your 1370 00:55:57,980 --> 00:55:55,650 listeners had written something about a 1371 00:56:00,260 --> 00:55:57,990 ranch in there that that they looked at 1372 00:56:02,930 --> 00:56:00,270 near Dulce they spent a lot of time with 1373 00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:02,940 the Hicker Ella Apache tried there a lot 1374 00:56:06,860 --> 00:56:04,290 of the same kinds of things that were 1375 00:56:07,460 --> 00:56:06,870 reported in Utah around the ranch had 1376 00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:07,470 occurred around 1377 00:56:12,290 --> 00:56:09,359 there they never found any secret 1378 00:56:14,210 --> 00:56:12,300 underground UFO base and do not believe 1379 00:56:16,700 --> 00:56:14,220 that that is in fact true that the one 1380 00:56:19,339 --> 00:56:16,710 such exists but the Apache Tribe they're 1381 00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:19,349 described a bigfoot-type encounter 1382 00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:21,680 strange creatures animal mutilations 1383 00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:25,050 ghostly apparitions skinwalkers the 1384 00:56:29,150 --> 00:56:26,880 kinds of things that we investigated at 1385 00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:29,160 the ranch same thing around the 1386 00:56:33,290 --> 00:56:31,200 chrissa's area Sedona the same kind of 1387 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:33,300 things were reported there Tom dong 1388 00:56:37,460 --> 00:56:35,010 though I think wrote a book about it and 1389 00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:37,470 then up in Yakima it always seems to be 1390 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:39,570 kind of a Native American connection but 1391 00:56:44,900 --> 00:56:42,090 what we found out was yes in fact there 1392 00:56:47,060 --> 00:56:44,910 are many other places where there's an 1393 00:56:48,890 --> 00:56:47,070 intense amount of paranormal type 1394 00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:48,900 activity and I used that in quotation 1395 00:56:53,630 --> 00:56:51,540 marks it's not everywhere but it's a lot 1396 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:53,640 of places and I think if you were to 1397 00:56:57,500 --> 00:56:55,530 focus the kind of resources that were 1398 00:56:59,330 --> 00:56:57,510 put on the ranch you will probably 1399 00:57:01,099 --> 00:56:59,340 encounter more of it and in fact 1400 00:57:03,260 --> 00:57:01,109 encourage that kind of activity 1401 00:57:04,940 --> 00:57:03,270 the stuff that mids guys told me about 1402 00:57:07,730 --> 00:57:04,950 and I never saw an even probably felt 1403 00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:07,740 but it was almost playful at times this 1404 00:57:11,300 --> 00:57:09,210 thing would mess with their hands it 1405 00:57:12,829 --> 00:57:11,310 wanted to stay one step ahead of them 1406 00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:12,839 for a while they thought they were going 1407 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:14,160 to be able to communicate with it they 1408 00:57:18,290 --> 00:57:16,650 did experiments to try to establish some 1409 00:57:20,780 --> 00:57:18,300 kind of a basic language between 1410 00:57:22,609 --> 00:57:20,790 whatever it is never one went anywhere 1411 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:22,619 and eventually whatever this thing is 1412 00:57:27,380 --> 00:57:24,810 whatever this intelligence was that kind 1413 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:27,390 of ticked off and made its its 1414 00:57:31,099 --> 00:57:29,010 displeasure known it ripped up the 1415 00:57:33,530 --> 00:57:31,109 cameras and and did some other kinds of 1416 00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:33,540 fairly hostile things and then it went 1417 00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:35,970 away it was like I took its ball and 1418 00:57:40,700 --> 00:57:38,700 went home it did not like being stuck it 1419 00:57:43,070 --> 00:57:40,710 liked being in charge and like scaring 1420 00:57:44,780 --> 00:57:43,080 people it like being unpredictable but 1421 00:57:46,790 --> 00:57:44,790 it really didn't like the idea these 1422 00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:46,800 guys were honing in on it that's 1423 00:57:51,530 --> 00:57:48,810 incredible information to wrap your head 1424 00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:51,540 around it sounds like a nasty pet okay 1425 00:57:56,329 --> 00:57:54,480 fast question here this is actually the 1426 00:57:58,160 --> 00:57:56,339 second question but you mentioned about 1427 00:58:01,310 --> 00:57:58,170 possible other events elsewhere from 1428 00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:01,320 Steve see are you still going to release 1429 00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:03,450 a documentary about the skinwalker ranch 1430 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:06,210 with pictures and videos that you've not 1431 00:58:10,970 --> 00:58:08,970 shown yet or held back it's been about 1432 00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:10,980 eight years since you've said you were 1433 00:58:16,310 --> 00:58:13,650 going to release it and still no one has 1434 00:58:19,940 --> 00:58:16,320 seen it is it mr. Bigelow keeping you 1435 00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:19,950 from releasing it well yes and no I mean 1436 00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:21,210 he doesn't he 1437 00:58:25,490 --> 00:58:23,370 can't order me not to do it but he asked 1438 00:58:27,950 --> 00:58:25,500 me not to do it and I honor that and and 1439 00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:27,960 here's why the book came out and has 1440 00:58:32,660 --> 00:58:30,240 caused so much trouble at the ranch I 1441 00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:32,670 mean he came out every single night 1442 00:58:38,540 --> 00:58:35,370 there are trespassers out there kids 1443 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:38,550 and UFO nuts who come out they they get 1444 00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:40,410 drunk they throw trash all over the 1445 00:58:43,460 --> 00:58:41,730 place at two o'clock in the morning 1446 00:58:45,980 --> 00:58:43,470 they're creeping out into the property 1447 00:58:47,630 --> 00:58:45,990 using flash bulbs and taking photos in 1448 00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:47,640 the window the people who lived there 1449 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:50,130 the caretakers they had caused so much 1450 00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:51,810 vandalism I mean it was not that long 1451 00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:54,480 ago somebody came up to the main gate 1452 00:58:58,550 --> 00:58:56,610 and put a rope around it and tore it off 1453 00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:58,560 its hinges and it's caused so much 1454 00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:00,720 trouble that Bigelow's had to put 1455 00:59:05,690 --> 00:59:02,850 24-hour security up there he's got these 1456 00:59:07,250 --> 00:59:05,700 team of these ex-commando guys who can 1457 00:59:10,460 --> 00:59:07,260 live in the jungle and eat bugs for a 1458 00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:10,470 week and ex-special forces guy who's who 1459 00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:12,930 worked for his aerospace company and he 1460 00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:14,370 has a regular rotation and takes him 1461 00:59:18,140 --> 00:59:16,050 back up there just to keep people from 1462 00:59:20,420 --> 00:59:18,150 messin with the property there's also 1463 00:59:22,820 --> 00:59:20,430 the question of liability is because 1464 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:22,830 they're not quite sure what how this 1465 00:59:27,950 --> 00:59:25,170 entity or intelligence or whatever is is 1466 00:59:29,570 --> 00:59:27,960 going to react you know it's shown it's 1467 00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:29,580 capable of doing some pretty horrible 1468 00:59:33,140 --> 00:59:31,650 things to animals if something happened 1469 00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:33,150 to a person there'd be a lot of trouble 1470 00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:36,210 so yeah I've decided to give up on it 1471 00:59:39,770 --> 00:59:38,610 I've saved all the footage I hope that 1472 00:59:41,420 --> 00:59:39,780 one day I'd be able to release it 1473 00:59:43,580 --> 00:59:41,430 because I put a lot of my own time and 1474 00:59:45,050 --> 00:59:43,590 money into this thing and I hope you'd 1475 00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:45,060 be able to do something with it but for 1476 00:59:51,050 --> 00:59:48,090 now it's too much trouble okay question 1477 00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:51,060 from Tom 707 I'd like to know what kind 1478 00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:53,760 of tangible evidence is available from 1479 00:59:59,360 --> 00:59:56,490 skinwalker ranch sounds like it's a gold 1480 01:00:01,340 --> 00:59:59,370 mine for researchers yet I haven't heard 1481 01:00:04,310 --> 01:00:01,350 about hard data having been collected 1482 01:00:06,980 --> 01:00:04,320 might be my ignorance these areas like 1483 01:00:09,500 --> 01:00:06,990 Marley woods and Hester Lynn all seemed 1484 01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:09,510 the whole promise but somehow they fail 1485 01:00:14,270 --> 01:00:12,000 to deliver do you think it's just a 1486 01:00:17,450 --> 01:00:14,280 matter of deploying the right technology 1487 01:00:17,810 --> 01:00:17,460 and halt would be revealed well no I 1488 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:17,820 don't 1489 01:00:23,210 --> 01:00:20,010 and because the mids people had a pretty 1490 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:23,220 big debate within them internally before 1491 01:00:27,410 --> 01:00:26,010 they deployed to the ranch about what 1492 01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:27,420 approach to take there were those who 1493 01:00:31,850 --> 01:00:29,250 wanted a passive approach hey let's 1494 01:00:34,220 --> 01:00:31,860 don't go technological let's go with 1495 01:00:34,910 --> 01:00:34,230 psychics or shaman or remote viewers and 1496 01:00:36,410 --> 01:00:34,920 see 1497 01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:36,420 we can reach out to this thing that way 1498 01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:38,880 the other point of view was let's go in 1499 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:40,890 with cameras and detection equipment and 1500 01:00:44,329 --> 01:00:42,930 scientific gear and see if we can find 1501 01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:44,339 evidence that's the viewpoint that 1502 01:00:47,390 --> 01:00:45,839 worked and there's a lot of 1503 01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,400 second-guessing about whether it was a 1504 01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:49,680 good idea or not because look if you 1505 01:00:54,020 --> 01:00:51,359 don't buy the premise that this 1506 01:00:56,690 --> 01:00:54,030 intelligence is capable of messing with 1507 01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:56,700 people's minds of staying one step ahead 1508 01:01:01,309 --> 01:00:59,520 of sort of a you know anticipating 1509 01:01:03,230 --> 01:01:01,319 what's happening if you don't buy that 1510 01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:03,240 premise that this thing could do that 1511 01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:05,250 whatever it is then it's really probably 1512 01:01:08,539 --> 01:01:06,960 a waste of your time to be reading the 1513 01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:08,549 book in the first place but that is what 1514 01:01:12,410 --> 01:01:10,170 happened these guys went with all this 1515 01:01:13,700 --> 01:01:12,420 equipment initially they guess it 1516 01:01:17,390 --> 01:01:13,710 depends on what you consider evidence 1517 01:01:19,370 --> 01:01:17,400 they got video and photos of objects 1518 01:01:21,170 --> 01:01:19,380 floating around in the sky problem is 1519 01:01:23,900 --> 01:01:21,180 most of it happens at night so you get a 1520 01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:23,910 ball of light in a sea of inky darkness 1521 01:01:28,130 --> 01:01:26,130 with no real reference point and it's 1522 01:01:29,930 --> 01:01:28,140 not very valuable cattle relations 1523 01:01:32,990 --> 01:01:29,940 happen these animals were cut up there's 1524 01:01:35,150 --> 01:01:33,000 video of them they've taken samples that 1525 01:01:37,099 --> 01:01:35,160 were taken to labs the one case in 1526 01:01:38,930 --> 01:01:37,109 particular happened at 10 o'clock in the 1527 01:01:41,210 --> 01:01:38,940 morning with in full view of the rancher 1528 01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,220 and his wife this calf was completely 1529 01:01:46,039 --> 01:01:43,440 stripped of flesh in a matter of minutes 1530 01:01:47,539 --> 01:01:46,049 its body was taken somewhere else carved 1531 01:01:50,210 --> 01:01:47,549 up and then brought back and dropped 1532 01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:50,220 they took it to a lab they analyzed what 1533 01:01:53,839 --> 01:01:51,690 was used the cutting instrument 1534 01:01:55,819 --> 01:01:53,849 instruments there were two that was used 1535 01:01:57,230 --> 01:01:55,829 one that was like a sharp scalpel one 1536 01:02:00,200 --> 01:01:57,240 that was a heavy cleaver 1537 01:02:02,750 --> 01:02:00,210 that's evidence it's court the carcasses 1538 01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:02,760 themselves were evidence there were you 1539 01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:05,250 know instrumentation malfunctions they 1540 01:02:10,130 --> 01:02:07,680 had compasses that would spin around in 1541 01:02:12,170 --> 01:02:10,140 circles they had gear that went out they 1542 01:02:14,510 --> 01:02:12,180 had something to crawl up the telephone 1543 01:02:17,690 --> 01:02:14,520 poles and rip the guts out of all these 1544 01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:17,700 cabins in full view of another camera 1545 01:02:21,859 --> 01:02:19,410 that was recording it whatever had done 1546 01:02:24,859 --> 01:02:21,869 it it was invisible now is that evidence 1547 01:02:27,140 --> 01:02:24,869 I think it is I can't give you this 1548 01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:27,150 evidence I can't show it to you but it 1549 01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:29,730 exists and I've seen it and we wrote 1550 01:02:33,319 --> 01:02:31,170 about it and I interviewed the people 1551 01:02:36,289 --> 01:02:33,329 who collected it their testimony 1552 01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:36,299 scientists with PhDs people who do not 1553 01:02:38,990 --> 01:02:38,160 have an agenda they just want to know 1554 01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:39,000 what's going on 1555 01:02:42,500 --> 01:02:40,799 the Native Americans who've lived there 1556 01:02:44,210 --> 01:02:42,510 for a couple of centuries the 1557 01:02:47,150 --> 01:02:44,220 neighboring ranchers who have seen this 1558 01:02:48,430 --> 01:02:47,160 stuff for 50 or 60 years their testimony 1559 01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:48,440 counts the 1560 01:02:52,359 --> 01:02:50,690 acts of these bigfoot-type creatures 1561 01:02:53,500 --> 01:02:52,369 that have been seen there's lots of 1562 01:02:56,349 --> 01:02:53,510 different kinds of physical evidence 1563 01:02:57,849 --> 01:02:56,359 it's all mentioned in the book but yeah 1564 01:02:59,410 --> 01:02:57,859 I get that kind of question all the time 1565 01:03:00,970 --> 01:02:59,420 well where's the physical evidence I 1566 01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:00,980 don't know what it is do you want you 1567 01:03:07,540 --> 01:03:03,920 want a body of a skinwalker you want me 1568 01:03:09,700 --> 01:03:07,550 to walk Bigfoot into the room you want 1569 01:03:12,220 --> 01:03:09,710 the saucer proverbial saucer on the 1570 01:03:14,020 --> 01:03:12,230 White House lawn I don't have them we 1571 01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:14,030 have George Knapp answering your 1572 01:03:18,790 --> 01:03:16,970 questions from our listeners 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gene and Chris we have George Knapp 1672 01:08:14,810 --> 01:08:12,750 answering your questions from the 1673 01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:14,820 question Bank and I've got some 1674 01:08:19,610 --> 01:08:17,370 fascinating ones here and there's one 1675 01:08:21,710 --> 01:08:19,620 question I'm not going to ask at this 1676 01:08:24,980 --> 01:08:21,720 point but we'll get to at the moment we 1677 01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:24,990 have someone named info lad one who 1678 01:08:30,890 --> 01:08:27,810 calls himself purveyor of hidden things 1679 01:08:34,730 --> 01:08:30,900 oh yeah I think we'll have to talk to 1680 01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:34,740 this info lab yeah yes this info let's 1681 01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:36,810 gotta have to answer some questions okay 1682 01:08:41,329 --> 01:08:39,450 Chris you want to ask this one we have 1683 01:08:43,340 --> 01:08:41,339 several questions from info lad who's 1684 01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:43,350 been a longtime poster at forum dr. 1685 01:08:48,290 --> 01:08:46,290 Peric ascom and first of all thanks you 1686 01:08:50,329 --> 01:08:48,300 for your time and for being on and his 1687 01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:50,339 first question is has there ever been 1688 01:08:54,410 --> 01:08:52,290 any extensive research done or 1689 01:08:57,500 --> 01:08:54,420 interviews of skinwalker ranch owners 1690 01:09:00,020 --> 01:08:57,510 prior to the schurmans of course my 1691 01:09:02,270 --> 01:09:00,030 interviews aside I guess someone else 1692 01:09:03,940 --> 01:09:02,280 put those locks up he mentions yeah 1693 01:09:07,340 --> 01:09:03,950 there was there has been some research 1694 01:09:10,579 --> 01:09:07,350 hey you know the mids people started by 1695 01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:10,589 talking to Terry Sherman well actually 1696 01:09:15,140 --> 01:09:12,810 Tom Gorman's the man we use but I think 1697 01:09:17,300 --> 01:09:15,150 that the cats out of the bag talking to 1698 01:09:20,329 --> 01:09:17,310 him about the the weird conditions that 1699 01:09:22,370 --> 01:09:20,339 the ranch had been empty for seven years 1700 01:09:25,010 --> 01:09:22,380 I think when that there the Corman 1701 01:09:26,930 --> 01:09:25,020 family moved onto it and as we mentioned 1702 01:09:29,930 --> 01:09:26,940 in the book I mean when they came up to 1703 01:09:32,930 --> 01:09:29,940 the house they had these big steaks with 1704 01:09:34,940 --> 01:09:32,940 big chains on both doors as if there'd 1705 01:09:38,510 --> 01:09:34,950 been guard dogs they were locks on both 1706 01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:38,520 sides and locks inside the house locks 1707 01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:41,370 on cabinets as if these things you know 1708 01:09:45,620 --> 01:09:42,960 moved around a little bit on their own 1709 01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:45,630 which has the rancher and his family 1710 01:09:50,090 --> 01:09:47,730 soon learned was exactly the case though 1711 01:09:52,610 --> 01:09:50,100 the rancher said that when he signed it 1712 01:09:54,530 --> 01:09:52,620 the deal the deed that the previous 1713 01:09:56,540 --> 01:09:54,540 owners insisted one of the conditions 1714 01:09:58,670 --> 01:09:56,550 they said is no digging if you're gonna 1715 01:10:00,500 --> 01:09:58,680 do any digging on the on the property 1716 01:10:02,570 --> 01:10:00,510 you have to get our permission or let us 1717 01:10:04,450 --> 01:10:02,580 know first and he just thought while 1718 01:10:06,980 --> 01:10:04,460 these are just plain old weird people 1719 01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:06,990 and he kind of chuckled to himself and 1720 01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:08,730 then later after things got weird he 1721 01:10:13,100 --> 01:10:10,770 started wondering about what might be 1722 01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:13,110 buried or what the consequences of 1723 01:10:17,780 --> 01:10:15,210 digging in the ground might be the first 1724 01:10:21,170 --> 01:10:17,790 time I went to the ranch it had been 1725 01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:21,180 after a period of lack of activity and 1726 01:10:24,230 --> 01:10:22,530 Colin Kelleher 1727 01:10:25,940 --> 01:10:24,240 look one of the things it gets there's a 1728 01:10:27,890 --> 01:10:25,950 couple things that get things stirred up 1729 01:10:29,540 --> 01:10:27,900 at the ranch one is the arrival of new 1730 01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:29,550 people and they thought I have an 1731 01:10:33,710 --> 01:10:31,410 inherent weirdness quotient maybe I 1732 01:10:35,480 --> 01:10:33,720 would attract whatever it is back to the 1733 01:10:37,220 --> 01:10:35,490 property they said you make a bunch of 1734 01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:37,230 noise out on the land that sometimes 1735 01:10:41,570 --> 01:10:39,210 gets it going but nothing gets it going 1736 01:10:43,730 --> 01:10:41,580 like moving around the earth digging in 1737 01:10:45,950 --> 01:10:43,740 the earth so the night I went there the 1738 01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:45,960 first time we made a big bunch of noise 1739 01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:47,970 we built a campfire out there and kind 1740 01:10:52,100 --> 01:10:49,440 of danced around it 1741 01:10:54,590 --> 01:10:52,110 we got an earthmover equipment a big 1742 01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:54,600 bucket on this tractor and moved or a 1743 01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:56,880 bunch of dirt around it so if there was 1744 01:11:00,680 --> 01:10:58,800 some sort of skinwalker or spirit or 1745 01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:00,690 something we did it our best to get its 1746 01:11:04,610 --> 01:11:02,730 attention and then they took me and put 1747 01:11:06,890 --> 01:11:04,620 me on a little plastic weight chair and 1748 01:11:09,950 --> 01:11:06,900 stuck me out in the middle of this this 1749 01:11:12,170 --> 01:11:09,960 field in total darkness and it's a field 1750 01:11:14,690 --> 01:11:12,180 where cattle had been mutilated where 1751 01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:14,700 this where this predator type creature 1752 01:11:18,830 --> 01:11:17,040 had appeared where a giant blob kind of 1753 01:11:20,030 --> 01:11:18,840 thing came out of the trees and and they 1754 01:11:21,710 --> 01:11:20,040 left me then they went a couple hundred 1755 01:11:23,870 --> 01:11:21,720 yards away and had a camera on me to see 1756 01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:23,880 if something came to get me and nothing 1757 01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:26,490 did except for mosquitoes 1758 01:11:30,230 --> 01:11:29,010 well someone came to get you George we 1759 01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:30,240 wouldn't have heard from you anymore 1760 01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:32,250 that's true that's true 1761 01:11:36,740 --> 01:11:35,010 so anyway one of the things we did in 1762 01:11:38,180 --> 01:11:36,750 researching the book was to figure out 1763 01:11:39,650 --> 01:11:38,190 what was going on with this family we 1764 01:11:42,110 --> 01:11:39,660 found some of the surviving members 1765 01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:42,120 living in in Salt Lake and they were 1766 01:11:46,460 --> 01:11:44,490 very hostile they wanted to answer no 1767 01:11:48,440 --> 01:11:46,470 questions about the ranch they've been 1768 01:11:50,300 --> 01:11:48,450 incredibly hostile since the book came 1769 01:11:52,850 --> 01:11:50,310 out we've never had any kind of 1770 01:11:54,230 --> 01:11:52,860 experiences the neighbors that we all 1771 01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:54,240 interviewed said that who the people 1772 01:11:57,770 --> 01:11:55,770 that had lived there had developed some 1773 01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:57,780 sort of relationship with the phenomena 1774 01:12:00,770 --> 01:11:59,520 that there was a live and let live kind 1775 01:12:03,710 --> 01:12:00,780 of thing that they developed over time 1776 01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:03,720 but this family the remaining members of 1777 01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:05,520 the family did not want to talk about it 1778 01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:08,880 the rancher the male branch er had died 1779 01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:10,770 his wife I guess had lived there for a 1780 01:12:13,970 --> 01:12:12,210 while and she was gone 1781 01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:13,980 but the people who were in Salt Lake 1782 01:12:18,110 --> 01:12:16,080 City that found they were very hostile 1783 01:12:20,450 --> 01:12:18,120 the stories that we eventually published 1784 01:12:22,580 --> 01:12:20,460 they were very hostile to any kind of 1785 01:12:24,740 --> 01:12:22,590 questions about things they might have 1786 01:12:27,230 --> 01:12:24,750 seen on the property so it ended up 1787 01:12:29,690 --> 01:12:27,240 being kind of a dead end force do you 1788 01:12:31,550 --> 01:12:29,700 have any opinion on dr. Eric Walker in 1789 01:12:34,910 --> 01:12:31,560 the various correspondences with him 1790 01:12:36,110 --> 01:12:34,920 yeah I do I had a chance to correspond a 1791 01:12:37,820 --> 01:12:36,120 great deal with grant cam 1792 01:12:40,580 --> 01:12:37,830 in fact we interviewed him Wooper on 1793 01:12:42,230 --> 01:12:40,590 television a week or so ago we had grant 1794 01:12:45,350 --> 01:12:42,240 on the power cast just two or three 1795 01:12:46,940 --> 01:12:45,360 weeks ago good good guy I mean I I like 1796 01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:46,950 the work he does you know he's a pretty 1797 01:12:50,420 --> 01:12:48,570 thorough guy he's been at this a long 1798 01:12:52,510 --> 01:12:50,430 time not sensational don't you agree 1799 01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:52,520 Dean he has a pretty straightforward 1800 01:12:56,780 --> 01:12:55,170 argument to make there there are a few 1801 01:12:58,550 --> 01:12:56,790 questions I felt he could have answered 1802 01:13:01,040 --> 01:12:58,560 better but I think in general he had a 1803 01:13:02,780 --> 01:13:01,050 pretty good interview there I think that 1804 01:13:04,430 --> 01:13:02,790 they he did some pretty good work on 1805 01:13:06,020 --> 01:13:04,440 this Eric Walker stuff I mean he 1806 01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:06,030 wouldn't take no for an answer 1807 01:13:11,900 --> 01:13:09,690 yeah he got this lead from other sort of 1808 01:13:13,670 --> 01:13:11,910 insiders who said that Eric Walker was a 1809 01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:13,680 guy who would know about it who was in 1810 01:13:18,370 --> 01:13:15,930 some of these meetings about crashed 1811 01:13:20,930 --> 01:13:18,380 saucers and recovered material and and 1812 01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:20,940 the secret that was classified higher 1813 01:13:25,790 --> 01:13:23,250 than the h-bomb they initially got a 1814 01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:25,800 couple of really interesting reactions 1815 01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:27,570 from the guy before he clammed up in 1816 01:13:33,290 --> 01:13:30,690 which he seemed to confirm what they 1817 01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:33,300 were saying and at some point either 1818 01:13:36,530 --> 01:13:34,890 somebody whispered in his ear told him 1819 01:13:39,050 --> 01:13:36,540 to shut up or whatever because he became 1820 01:13:41,390 --> 01:13:39,060 totally uncooperative but he gave some 1821 01:13:42,710 --> 01:13:41,400 tantalizing little tidbits that that 1822 01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:42,720 suggested that they were on the right 1823 01:13:48,110 --> 01:13:45,120 track and I think what Walker said is 1824 01:13:51,140 --> 01:13:48,120 reinforced by what sar Bakker wins our 1825 01:13:53,450 --> 01:13:51,150 Bakker had to say what Wilbur Clark her 1826 01:13:57,230 --> 01:13:53,460 they did the guy from Canada Wilbert 1827 01:13:59,570 --> 01:13:57,240 Smith what he had told the researchers 1828 01:14:02,000 --> 01:13:59,580 and it told his own government I think 1829 01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:02,010 that's legitimate info I'm sorry that 1830 01:14:08,060 --> 01:14:04,290 dr. Walker didn't didn't reveal more 1831 01:14:10,190 --> 01:14:08,070 before passing along simple as last 1832 01:14:12,110 --> 01:14:10,200 question is what are your views on the 1833 01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:12,120 research and conclusions of the late 1834 01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:15,600 carla turner is this the my lab the 1835 01:14:20,690 --> 01:14:18,000 underground military lab stuff yeah I 1836 01:14:22,250 --> 01:14:20,700 think that if I'm if I'm not mistaken 1837 01:14:24,110 --> 01:14:22,260 I'm tired member Carla Turner but I 1838 01:14:26,690 --> 01:14:24,120 think her research focused on 1839 01:14:29,020 --> 01:14:26,700 abductions in particular abductions 1840 01:14:32,060 --> 01:14:29,030 where the abductees reported being in 1841 01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:32,070 facilities where there is both aliens 1842 01:14:36,970 --> 01:14:35,040 and military type folks and detain the 1843 01:14:39,410 --> 01:14:36,980 truth I haven't done enough work to be 1844 01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:39,420 knowledgeable and answering it I you 1845 01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:41,970 know I I try to keep an open mind on all 1846 01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:43,010 this stuff 1847 01:14:47,450 --> 01:14:44,730 Carla Turner had a pretty good 1848 01:14:49,370 --> 01:14:47,460 reputation and so I don't want to cast 1849 01:14:49,729 --> 01:14:49,380 judgment on it but I really don't know 1850 01:14:51,770 --> 01:14:49,739 enough 1851 01:14:54,290 --> 01:14:51,780 to say whether I believe it or not we 1852 01:14:56,299 --> 01:14:54,300 have so much more to ask George Knapp 1853 01:14:57,709 --> 01:14:56,309 and I'll just plow through the questions 1854 01:15:01,540 --> 01:14:57,719 here we're gonna have to break at a 1855 01:15:05,239 --> 01:15:01,550 moment but let's go briefly to Bob Lazar 1856 01:15:07,310 --> 01:15:05,249 okay all right now before we go on with 1857 01:15:09,319 --> 01:15:07,320 this we have several questions on Bob 1858 01:15:14,029 --> 01:15:09,329 Lazar from Ricky who was a regular 1859 01:15:17,259 --> 01:15:14,039 poster and that is is Lazar still active 1860 01:15:20,959 --> 01:15:17,269 in making his claims about his 1861 01:15:22,700 --> 01:15:20,969 encounters at area 51 no and he hasn't 1862 01:15:24,620 --> 01:15:22,710 been for a long time I mean he did it 1863 01:15:26,810 --> 01:15:24,630 with me and he did a couple of other 1864 01:15:31,609 --> 01:15:26,820 interviews back there it'll be 25 years 1865 01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:31,619 next year it was November of 1989 was 1866 01:15:38,299 --> 01:15:34,650 when we first revealed who he was May of 1867 01:15:40,250 --> 01:15:38,309 1989 is when we did the first interview 1868 01:15:44,029 --> 01:15:40,260 with him blacked-out silhouette as 1869 01:15:45,589 --> 01:15:44,039 Dennis and so 25 years next year he did 1870 01:15:47,870 --> 01:15:45,599 those interviews then he did a couple 1871 01:15:49,939 --> 01:15:47,880 more after that but basically he hates 1872 01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:49,949 every bit of it he didn't like UFOs 1873 01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:52,320 before he got into the program he 1874 01:15:56,839 --> 01:15:54,690 doesn't like him since I saw Bob about 1875 01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:56,849 two months ago he came to town first 1876 01:16:00,739 --> 01:15:58,800 time he's been to Las Vegas and I don't 1877 01:16:02,089 --> 01:16:00,749 know eight or nine years and it was nice 1878 01:16:05,180 --> 01:16:02,099 to see him it was nice to talk about 1879 01:16:07,489 --> 01:16:05,190 something other than area 51 there s4 or 1880 01:16:09,529 --> 01:16:07,499 flying saucers but he is quite happy to 1881 01:16:11,330 --> 01:16:09,539 have left that all behind has no 1882 01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:11,340 interest in talking about it at all I 1883 01:16:14,689 --> 01:16:13,170 think I'm gonna try to have to coax him 1884 01:16:17,149 --> 01:16:14,699 into talking about it next year for the 1885 01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:17,159 25th anniversary but with Bob it all it 1886 01:16:20,959 --> 01:16:18,570 depends on the Moody's and you know 1887 01:16:23,060 --> 01:16:20,969 because he he is the most reluctant UFO 1888 01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:23,070 Messiah you've ever run into we are 1889 01:16:26,270 --> 01:16:24,480 going to be very reluctant if we don't 1890 01:16:29,220 --> 01:16:26,280 do this break George Knapp joining us 1891 01:16:36,599 --> 01:16:29,230 you're in the parry cast 1892 01:16:43,169 --> 01:16:39,989 the GZ and Radio Network providing the 1893 01:16:47,909 --> 01:16:43,179 world with hard-hitting talk radio G C 1894 01:16:50,339 --> 01:16:47,919 and great talk radio starts here graphic 1895 01:16:52,799 --> 01:16:50,349 converter is the image manipulation tool 1896 01:16:55,229 --> 01:16:52,809 for the rest of us it does not use any 1897 01:16:57,659 --> 01:16:55,239 database you get full control of all 1898 01:17:00,000 --> 01:16:57,669 your files want to view the images of a 1899 01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:00,010 folder drag it into 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any 2010 01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:17,420 actual proof of his claims well I guess 2011 01:21:21,100 --> 01:21:19,010 it depends on what he considered to be 2012 01:21:23,350 --> 01:21:21,110 proof you know I've had that question 2013 01:21:24,970 --> 01:21:23,360 before if there was nothing to it I can 2014 01:21:27,070 --> 01:21:24,980 tell you that I wouldn't have spent 24 2015 01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:27,080 years working on it but there's lots of 2016 01:21:31,180 --> 01:21:28,960 proof I don't know what what proof 2017 01:21:33,670 --> 01:21:31,190 people would need I guess it's whatever 2018 01:21:35,980 --> 01:21:33,680 would convince a reasonable person that 2019 01:21:38,290 --> 01:21:35,990 something is true or real and I think 2020 01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:38,300 that that Bob and his claims have have 2021 01:21:43,180 --> 01:21:40,610 met that many times over I the first 2022 01:21:44,890 --> 01:21:43,190 thing that Bob knew was where the tests 2023 01:21:47,650 --> 01:21:44,900 were going to take place he took people 2024 01:21:49,480 --> 01:21:47,660 out on a Wednesday night three weeks in 2025 01:21:53,260 --> 01:21:49,490 a row different groups of people and 2026 01:21:55,870 --> 01:21:53,270 each time these the saucer-like craft 2027 01:21:58,510 --> 01:21:55,880 came up over the mountains in the area 2028 01:22:01,840 --> 01:21:58,520 of where he said s4 was the place where 2029 01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:01,850 he worked this big glowing object that 2030 01:22:05,470 --> 01:22:03,410 perform maneuvers and then they'd go 2031 01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:05,480 back down and you have to ask yourself 2032 01:22:10,810 --> 01:22:07,010 well I mean there have been those 2033 01:22:13,930 --> 01:22:10,820 stories about Wednesday night UFOs how 2034 01:22:16,390 --> 01:22:13,940 did he know the the tests were the last 2035 01:22:18,790 --> 01:22:16,400 time they do take this thing and I've 2036 01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:18,800 shown the tape on on on the air a couple 2037 01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:21,170 of times how did you know secondly how 2038 01:22:26,170 --> 01:22:22,490 did you know there was a place called s4 2039 01:22:28,090 --> 01:22:26,180 there's no reported incidents of anybody 2040 01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:28,100 referring to a place called s4 and yet 2041 01:22:33,130 --> 01:22:30,890 it really is a true place I confirmed it 2042 01:22:35,410 --> 01:22:33,140 with Nellis Air Force Base it really did 2043 01:22:37,510 --> 01:22:35,420 exist thirdly he knew about something 2044 01:22:38,980 --> 01:22:37,520 called the OSI he said at first he 2045 01:22:42,010 --> 01:22:38,990 thought he was had a background 2046 01:22:44,590 --> 01:22:42,020 investigation by the FBI and then he 2047 01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:44,600 found a card for the guy who had come to 2048 01:22:48,130 --> 01:22:46,250 question him what during his security 2049 01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:48,140 clearance and it was a guy named Mike 2050 01:22:51,610 --> 01:22:49,130 Thigpen 2051 01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:51,620 for an agency called Oh fi which I had 2052 01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:52,850 never heard of and I'd been here a long 2053 01:22:57,370 --> 01:22:56,090 time but Oh fi in fact is the office of 2054 01:22:59,290 --> 01:22:57,380 federal investigations they do 2055 01:23:01,600 --> 01:22:59,300 background checks for people that went 2056 01:23:04,629 --> 01:23:01,610 to work at Nellis Air Force Base and the 2057 01:23:06,310 --> 01:23:04,639 tessai and mike Thigpen really turned 2058 01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:06,320 out to be a guy who worked for that 2059 01:23:12,129 --> 01:23:09,050 how did Bob know how did he know about 2060 01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:12,139 the inner workings of area 51 how you 2061 01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:14,210 got there I've had a couple of people 2062 01:23:19,450 --> 01:23:16,010 who worked out there who put in through 2063 01:23:21,399 --> 01:23:19,460 their cases and asked him questions not 2064 01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:21,409 about like where the saucers that they'd 2065 01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:22,610 ask him questions about 2066 01:23:26,350 --> 01:23:24,770 where's the cafeteria what colors of 2067 01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:26,360 paint how do you pay for your meals that 2068 01:23:30,490 --> 01:23:28,250 kind of stuff and he passed he also 2069 01:23:33,100 --> 01:23:30,500 passed a polygraph four of them we did 2070 01:23:35,260 --> 01:23:33,110 one examination when I'm just telling 2071 01:23:37,570 --> 01:23:35,270 you gene I lived through this step and 2072 01:23:39,820 --> 01:23:37,580 it was weird it was a weird time it was 2073 01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:39,830 a scary time we were being followed 2074 01:23:44,260 --> 01:23:42,560 around our phones were tapped there were 2075 01:23:46,359 --> 01:23:44,270 they were really messing with Bob there 2076 01:23:48,609 --> 01:23:46,369 we'll break into his house a couple of 2077 01:23:50,350 --> 01:23:48,619 times when he'd come home they had been 2078 01:23:53,020 --> 01:23:50,360 in messing with his house they they 2079 01:23:56,169 --> 01:23:53,030 wiped his things off of his blackboard 2080 01:23:58,060 --> 01:23:56,179 move things around one time he goes to 2081 01:24:00,129 --> 01:23:58,070 the gym with a friend he's got a gun he 2082 01:24:02,950 --> 01:24:00,139 was carrying a weapon in his glove box 2083 01:24:04,990 --> 01:24:02,960 he comes out the doors to his car are 2084 01:24:07,060 --> 01:24:05,000 open the windows are down that glove box 2085 01:24:08,649 --> 01:24:07,070 is open and there's the gun just sit 2086 01:24:10,390 --> 01:24:08,659 there it wasn't a burglary but somebody 2087 01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:10,400 is messing with him I've been to his 2088 01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:12,530 house when he get home and it was all 2089 01:24:16,899 --> 01:24:14,719 kind of freaked out and and there he is 2090 01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:16,909 walking around with an Uzi ready for 2091 01:24:20,500 --> 01:24:18,770 trouble this stuff was real it was 2092 01:24:22,899 --> 01:24:20,510 really going on it's hard to convey to 2093 01:24:24,910 --> 01:24:22,909 people who weren't there what it was 2094 01:24:27,220 --> 01:24:24,920 like but it was a really intense time I 2095 01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:27,230 guess I'm talking to you very quickly 2096 01:24:32,350 --> 01:24:29,690 here George is that you believe Bob 2097 01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:32,360 Lazar well I do I believe him and this 2098 01:24:36,399 --> 01:24:34,639 this extent I believe he's telling the 2099 01:24:38,830 --> 01:24:36,409 truth as he knows it I don't know that 2100 01:24:40,450 --> 01:24:38,840 it's an objective truth I don't know 2101 01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:40,460 that everything that you read and these 2102 01:24:44,379 --> 01:24:42,530 briefing documents are real as opposed 2103 01:24:46,209 --> 01:24:44,389 to something he was being fed because 2104 01:24:48,700 --> 01:24:46,219 they figured he would go ahead and link 2105 01:24:51,459 --> 01:24:48,710 it to somebody I suspect that that might 2106 01:24:53,050 --> 01:24:51,469 be it I suspect that he in a sense might 2107 01:24:54,729 --> 01:24:53,060 have been really qualified he's not a 2108 01:24:56,649 --> 01:24:54,739 PhD he's not the most qualified 2109 01:24:59,850 --> 01:24:56,659 scientist the world but he's a really 2110 01:25:02,590 --> 01:24:59,860 bright guy who has eclectic interests 2111 01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:02,600 hookers and machine guns and explosives 2112 01:25:08,410 --> 01:25:05,449 and stuff that's just quirky enough that 2113 01:25:10,540 --> 01:25:08,420 he'd be easy to discredit yet it had a 2114 01:25:12,700 --> 01:25:10,550 financial interest in a brothel for a 2115 01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:12,710 time and then he got hooked up with an 2116 01:25:15,009 --> 01:25:13,760 illegal brothel 2117 01:25:16,539 --> 01:25:15,019 so eventually 2118 01:25:18,309 --> 01:25:16,549 they were able to discredit him get him 2119 01:25:20,589 --> 01:25:18,319 in legal trouble and push him down the 2120 01:25:22,899 --> 01:25:20,599 road but he knew I took a lot of stuff 2121 01:25:25,269 --> 01:25:22,909 that nobody else had ever said before 2122 01:25:27,399 --> 01:25:25,279 that we now know is true he also passed 2123 01:25:29,679 --> 01:25:27,409 a polygraph I took him to this guy Perry 2124 01:25:32,109 --> 01:25:29,689 tavern Eddie he's still the head of a 2125 01:25:34,569 --> 01:25:32,119 major security operation for a major 2126 01:25:36,189 --> 01:25:34,579 casino he does polygraph tests on 2127 01:25:37,750 --> 01:25:36,199 employees to make sure that they're 2128 01:25:40,059 --> 01:25:37,760 they're screened and the proper to work 2129 01:25:42,069 --> 01:25:40,069 there he put Bob Lazar through the 2130 01:25:44,139 --> 01:25:42,079 ringer on the central questions did you 2131 01:25:46,269 --> 01:25:44,149 see flying saucers were they in these 2132 01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:46,279 hangars did you deal with element 115 2133 01:25:52,029 --> 01:25:49,010 and Bob passed and it wasn't a close 2134 01:25:54,189 --> 01:25:52,039 call it was flat-out past four of these 2135 01:25:56,859 --> 01:25:54,199 exams how did he do it by the way Terry 2136 01:25:58,269 --> 01:25:56,869 can burn Eddie months later how to break 2137 01:26:00,250 --> 01:25:58,279 into this house and the only thing they 2138 01:26:02,589 --> 01:26:00,260 took were those polygraph test results 2139 01:26:04,809 --> 01:26:02,599 he's a former police officer a credible 2140 01:26:07,269 --> 01:26:04,819 guy his name is well known here in this 2141 01:26:09,759 --> 01:26:07,279 town and and I think it's testimony goes 2142 01:26:11,649 --> 01:26:09,769 a long way so how did Bob know and and 2143 01:26:13,029 --> 01:26:11,659 here's the last bit of proof in it I 2144 01:26:14,619 --> 01:26:13,039 don't know if it persuades your 2145 01:26:15,939 --> 01:26:14,629 listeners or not but Bob got into 2146 01:26:17,500 --> 01:26:15,949 trouble with these hookers you know he 2147 01:26:20,529 --> 01:26:17,510 came to me one night he said by the way 2148 01:26:22,359 --> 01:26:20,539 I met this hooker and I helped her set 2149 01:26:24,429 --> 01:26:22,369 some security gear and some cameras up 2150 01:26:25,869 --> 01:26:24,439 in her little brothel and by the way 2151 01:26:28,539 --> 01:26:25,879 this brothel is on the same street where 2152 01:26:30,639 --> 01:26:28,549 you live I said what I mean my 2153 01:26:32,409 --> 01:26:30,649 professional life is flashing before my 2154 01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:32,419 eyes that they can oh my god here here 2155 01:26:36,609 --> 01:26:34,489 goes my career I'm gonna crash and burn 2156 01:26:37,899 --> 01:26:36,619 I said you can't be serious I said let 2157 01:26:40,029 --> 01:26:37,909 me see it I don't believe it let me see 2158 01:26:41,919 --> 01:26:40,039 it and he showed me this place I said 2159 01:26:43,569 --> 01:26:41,929 you gotta shut this down now he said the 2160 01:26:45,789 --> 01:26:43,579 cops already know about it the companies 2161 01:26:47,919 --> 01:26:45,799 these vice detectives know this hooker 2162 01:26:49,839 --> 01:26:47,929 she's been in business for years so you 2163 01:26:51,519 --> 01:26:49,849 got to shut it down anyway you know 2164 01:26:53,589 --> 01:26:51,529 you're being followed around somebody's 2165 01:26:55,419 --> 01:26:53,599 going to break this open you've got to 2166 01:26:57,250 --> 01:26:55,429 do it and I've got to do it before they 2167 01:26:59,409 --> 01:26:57,260 do so I called the police I told them 2168 01:27:01,809 --> 01:26:59,419 the it's going to be shut down anyway 2169 01:27:03,549 --> 01:27:01,819 they decided to bust Bob anyway we 2170 01:27:05,259 --> 01:27:03,559 didn't and back in those days not a 2171 01:27:08,379 --> 01:27:05,269 whole lot of pimps got busted in Las 2172 01:27:10,989 --> 01:27:08,389 Vegas not a whole lockers either but 2173 01:27:13,509 --> 01:27:10,999 they looked at Bob like public enemy 2174 01:27:16,269 --> 01:27:13,519 number one parole and probation grilled 2175 01:27:18,819 --> 01:27:16,279 him about his background and this is the 2176 01:27:21,309 --> 01:27:18,829 time if you're the UFO con man this is 2177 01:27:23,649 --> 01:27:21,319 the time you come clean because he told 2178 01:27:25,899 --> 01:27:23,659 them the same story he told me where he 2179 01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:25,909 had worked where he'd gone to school who 2180 01:27:31,630 --> 01:27:28,970 he worked for what he did I he was 2181 01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:31,640 at serious time they recommended that he 2182 01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:33,890 do more than a year in prison because 2183 01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:35,690 they were mad at him they thought this 2184 01:27:40,540 --> 01:27:37,610 guy's lying to us he's told us all this 2185 01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:40,550 stuff and then gradually some other 2186 01:27:45,250 --> 01:27:43,010 things happened congressman Bilbray from 2187 01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:45,260 Nevada tried to help me get information 2188 01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:47,210 that would help this case he said I've 2189 01:27:51,580 --> 01:27:49,130 never run into a case like this the FBI 2190 01:27:53,890 --> 01:27:51,590 told me that he's a real guy but I have 2191 01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:53,900 no need to know about what his 2192 01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:55,250 background is that's what they told the 2193 01:27:59,350 --> 01:27:56,930 congressman you know a lot of things 2194 01:28:01,060 --> 01:27:59,360 like that if Bob were a liar that was 2195 01:28:03,250 --> 01:28:01,070 the time to come clean and in fact he 2196 01:28:05,440 --> 01:28:03,260 stuck to his story I don't expect people 2197 01:28:06,220 --> 01:28:05,450 to believe it I have problems with some 2198 01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:06,230 but myself 2199 01:28:11,440 --> 01:28:09,290 for example as educational claims but do 2200 01:28:13,180 --> 01:28:11,450 you throw the whole thing out if you 2201 01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:13,190 believe that he's lying about his 2202 01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:15,290 education do you throw the whole thing 2203 01:28:20,620 --> 01:28:17,930 out do you ignore all the other kinds of 2204 01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:20,630 proof that he came up with you know 2205 01:28:24,940 --> 01:28:22,490 there's people like Stanton Friedman who 2206 01:28:27,850 --> 01:28:24,950 I respect a great deal who did research 2207 01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:27,860 on their own after the story came out 2208 01:28:33,100 --> 01:28:30,890 and Bob wasn't at Los Alamos lab he 2209 01:28:35,170 --> 01:28:33,110 doesn't have a degree I reported that in 2210 01:28:37,270 --> 01:28:35,180 the very first story the very first 2211 01:28:39,850 --> 01:28:37,280 story that mentioned Bob's name we 2212 01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:39,860 reported that and let the cards fall 2213 01:28:42,580 --> 01:28:40,610 where they may 2214 01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:42,590 I think he's telling the truth as he 2215 01:28:48,220 --> 01:28:45,530 knows is it the absolute objective truth 2216 01:28:50,440 --> 01:28:48,230 I don't know about that it's more 2217 01:28:52,990 --> 01:28:50,450 complicated well just the thing about 2218 01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:53,000 the degree bothers me because let me 2219 01:28:58,330 --> 01:28:55,730 give you an example here just I guess 2220 01:29:01,000 --> 01:28:58,340 last year year before that we learned 2221 01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:01,010 that one prominent UFO paranormal 2222 01:29:06,250 --> 01:29:04,130 researcher Phil and brog know had faked 2223 01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:06,260 degrees his degrees were not real we 2224 01:29:11,110 --> 01:29:08,570 exposed that fact with the help of one 2225 01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:11,120 of our regular listeners so that of 2226 01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:13,250 course ended that guy's career but the 2227 01:29:19,450 --> 01:29:15,770 question being here now we have 2228 01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:19,460 Lazar supposedly we can't verify his 2229 01:29:23,650 --> 01:29:22,010 educational claims and when you see 2230 01:29:26,290 --> 01:29:23,660 things like that you have to say well 2231 01:29:27,700 --> 01:29:26,300 wait a minute if this guy's not telling 2232 01:29:30,310 --> 01:29:27,710 the truth about his education why 2233 01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:30,320 believe anything he says and is it 2234 01:29:34,870 --> 01:29:32,210 really possible for example for 2235 01:29:38,260 --> 01:29:34,880 intelligence experts to wipe away a 2236 01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:38,270 person's entire educational history well 2237 01:29:42,700 --> 01:29:40,850 if you ask my opinion I don't think he I 2238 01:29:45,370 --> 01:29:42,710 don't think those degrees are real 2239 01:29:47,830 --> 01:29:45,380 as his friend of a long time I've given 2240 01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:47,840 the opportunity to ask and to answer 2241 01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:49,730 that I said look Bob you know this is a 2242 01:29:54,580 --> 01:29:51,890 good time to come clean on this if you 2243 01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:54,590 told a fib in order to get a job and the 2244 01:29:58,450 --> 01:29:56,570 fact is he would not be the first person 2245 01:30:00,240 --> 01:29:58,460 to exaggerate his credentials or 2246 01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:00,250 background in order to get a great job 2247 01:30:05,979 --> 01:30:03,290 and he has never taken me up on the 2248 01:30:08,020 --> 01:30:05,989 opportunity I always thought the problem 2249 01:30:10,209 --> 01:30:08,030 I had with Bob's claims about getting 2250 01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:10,219 those degrees is to get a degree at a 2251 01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:12,410 place like Caltech or MIT you take other 2252 01:30:15,820 --> 01:30:14,090 classes you know you can't just take 2253 01:30:17,620 --> 01:30:15,830 science classes which is what he's good 2254 01:30:19,209 --> 01:30:17,630 at you have to take a literature I 2255 01:30:22,330 --> 01:30:19,219 couldn't imagine Bob sitting through 2256 01:30:24,850 --> 01:30:22,340 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slim as 2364 01:34:56,380 --> 01:34:54,310 this is the wrong flyer co-author of UFO 2365 01:34:59,170 --> 01:34:56,390 encyclopedia in other books when you're 2366 01:35:05,489 --> 01:35:03,410 [Music] 2367 01:35:07,589 --> 01:35:05,499 we have Georgia Knapp with Jean and 2368 01:35:10,679 --> 01:35:07,599 Chris on the park s we continue asking 2369 01:35:12,509 --> 01:35:10,689 your questions in our previous segment 2370 01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:12,519 you mentioned here you don't believe 2371 01:35:17,189 --> 01:35:15,610 lazarre's degrees a genuine I could see 2372 01:35:19,679 --> 01:35:17,199 the reason but let me ask you a question 2373 01:35:22,140 --> 01:35:19,689 that Ricky asked here which was question 2374 01:35:24,899 --> 01:35:22,150 number five which relates to this if 2375 01:35:27,449 --> 01:35:24,909 Lazar were proved to be a fraud would 2376 01:35:30,390 --> 01:35:27,459 you say so on the air on coast to coast 2377 01:35:32,910 --> 01:35:30,400 yes of course I would I mean you know 2378 01:35:34,649 --> 01:35:32,920 that's my job that would be my job I 2379 01:35:36,299 --> 01:35:34,659 don't know what proof there would be to 2380 01:35:38,790 --> 01:35:36,309 do that you have to have somebody who 2381 01:35:40,859 --> 01:35:38,800 had worked for the inside who comes 2382 01:35:42,870 --> 01:35:40,869 forward with definitive proof that it 2383 01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:42,880 was untrue it's hard to prove a negative 2384 01:35:46,969 --> 01:35:45,489 I guess but I think that Bob is telling 2385 01:35:50,489 --> 01:35:46,979 the truth I think he probably 2386 01:35:52,049 --> 01:35:50,499 exaggerated his educational credentials 2387 01:35:55,259 --> 01:35:52,059 but I think a lot of people exaggerate 2388 01:35:56,969 --> 01:35:55,269 their background to get a good job and I 2389 01:35:58,859 --> 01:35:56,979 wouldn't blame him to get this 2390 01:36:01,229 --> 01:35:58,869 particular job here's what it boils down 2391 01:36:03,270 --> 01:36:01,239 to for me I thought always thought the 2392 01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:03,280 central question is if he worked at Los 2393 01:36:08,069 --> 01:36:06,489 Alamos lab in a sense in a position then 2394 01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:08,079 it would make sense that he could end up 2395 01:36:13,290 --> 01:36:11,050 at area 51 or s4 so that's where I was 2396 01:36:15,929 --> 01:36:13,300 focused on and and I contacted the lab 2397 01:36:18,270 --> 01:36:15,939 in the early going they said we never 2398 01:36:20,069 --> 01:36:18,280 heard of we don't have any record that 2399 01:36:21,899 --> 01:36:20,079 he's never been here and of course then 2400 01:36:23,939 --> 01:36:21,909 I came back and I got the lab phone book 2401 01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:23,949 that his name ended s are you sure 2402 01:36:28,109 --> 01:36:26,050 here's his name now now we don't know 2403 01:36:30,449 --> 01:36:28,119 how that got in there and I came up with 2404 01:36:32,609 --> 01:36:30,459 the headline from the Los Alamos Monitor 2405 01:36:34,500 --> 01:36:32,619 newspaper that had him there on the day 2406 01:36:37,109 --> 01:36:34,510 that Edward Teller visited Los Alamos 2407 01:36:39,540 --> 01:36:37,119 lab it listed him in this front-page 2408 01:36:41,910 --> 01:36:39,550 story as a physicist and they still 2409 01:36:44,399 --> 01:36:41,920 denied it I interviewed people who 2410 01:36:46,319 --> 01:36:44,409 worked with him who some of whom are 2411 01:36:49,830 --> 01:36:46,329 still there who said he was there and 2412 01:36:52,199 --> 01:36:49,840 then he took me in one weekend Bob Lazar 2413 01:36:55,589 --> 01:36:52,209 took me in to Los Alamos with another 2414 01:36:57,270 --> 01:36:55,599 guy we went through the gates we waved 2415 01:36:59,549 --> 01:36:57,280 at the security guys we took our 2416 01:37:01,169 --> 01:36:59,559 television camera in there we went into 2417 01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:01,179 the place where the world's largest 2418 01:37:05,459 --> 01:37:03,130 particle accelerator at the time was 2419 01:37:08,100 --> 01:37:05,469 took video he went through this place 2420 01:37:10,049 --> 01:37:08,110 like a rabbit through its own burrow 2421 01:37:12,359 --> 01:37:10,059 what even did people take it as long a 2422 01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:12,369 facility showing us around and I knew 2423 01:37:16,770 --> 01:37:15,010 that he'd been there now Bob real 2424 01:37:19,100 --> 01:37:16,780 was there and really did work in 2425 01:37:21,390 --> 01:37:19,110 classified positions which is what his 2426 01:37:23,940 --> 01:37:21,400 co-workers told me that he was he was 2427 01:37:27,390 --> 01:37:23,950 working on a particular weapons program 2428 01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:27,400 then it made sense to me that a he'd 2429 01:37:31,170 --> 01:37:29,290 been educated somewhere they didn't just 2430 01:37:33,870 --> 01:37:31,180 let him waltz in the door because he had 2431 01:37:35,130 --> 01:37:33,880 with no training at all and be it made 2432 01:37:37,950 --> 01:37:35,140 it plausible that he could work 2433 01:37:40,410 --> 01:37:37,960 somewhere else like an area 51 I went to 2434 01:37:41,940 --> 01:37:40,420 a company called Kirk Meier which is a 2435 01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:41,950 headhunter company that's where Los 2436 01:37:45,750 --> 01:37:43,930 Alamos finally got flustered with me 2437 01:37:47,910 --> 01:37:45,760 sending all these enquiries and they 2438 01:37:49,290 --> 01:37:47,920 said Kirk flyer is the one that got and 2439 01:37:51,060 --> 01:37:49,300 they're a headhunter company that does 2440 01:37:53,610 --> 01:37:51,070 recruit scientific and technical people 2441 01:37:55,830 --> 01:37:53,620 to work at Los Alamos lab they initially 2442 01:37:57,450 --> 01:37:55,840 said oh yeah we recorded him and we got 2443 01:37:59,880 --> 01:37:57,460 a I said you have a file on them any 2444 01:38:01,590 --> 01:37:59,890 background yeah we've got that stuff I 2445 01:38:04,260 --> 01:38:01,600 said great can I get it yeah no problem 2446 01:38:06,570 --> 01:38:04,270 and then they clammed up I got a stack 2447 01:38:09,090 --> 01:38:06,580 of letters as thick as my fist between 2448 01:38:11,820 --> 01:38:09,100 me and Kirk Meier and then phone calls 2449 01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:11,830 back and forth to the Los Alamos lab of 2450 01:38:15,330 --> 01:38:13,210 where they promised to give me this 2451 01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:15,340 information or denied having it and then 2452 01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:17,050 they just clammed up and wouldn't give 2453 01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:19,330 me anything he was there he worked there 2454 01:38:23,940 --> 01:38:21,850 I have no question whatsoever that he 2455 01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:23,950 was at Los Alamos and if he worked there 2456 01:38:28,440 --> 01:38:26,170 in a sensitive position that means he 2457 01:38:31,590 --> 01:38:28,450 got educated somewhere and maybe it 2458 01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:31,600 wasn't a degree at MIT or masters but it 2459 01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:33,250 was enough to get work at one of the 2460 01:38:37,500 --> 01:38:35,290 premier labs in the entire world and 2461 01:38:39,630 --> 01:38:37,510 that means that I think it's possible he 2462 01:38:41,820 --> 01:38:39,640 could go to area 51 other people can 2463 01:38:44,130 --> 01:38:41,830 look at it in a different way that's how 2464 01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:44,140 I look at do you think maybe he might be 2465 01:38:49,260 --> 01:38:47,050 some sort of disinformation guy I don't 2466 01:38:50,340 --> 01:38:49,270 think knowing wait he has acknowledged 2467 01:38:53,010 --> 01:38:50,350 and he and I have had that conversation 2468 01:38:54,930 --> 01:38:53,020 is it possible that you were used in 2469 01:38:57,570 --> 01:38:54,940 this and he acknowledges it sure was I 2470 01:39:00,060 --> 01:38:57,580 mean it makes no sense to him or anyone 2471 01:39:02,370 --> 01:39:00,070 else that he's there at area 51 the 2472 01:39:04,590 --> 01:39:02,380 first day he's up there that's four they 2473 01:39:06,750 --> 01:39:04,600 show him these briefing books with with 2474 01:39:08,340 --> 01:39:06,760 all these secrets of the universe alien 2475 01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:08,350 body parts and pictures of flying 2476 01:39:14,100 --> 01:39:10,960 saucers and and briefings about aliens 2477 01:39:16,650 --> 01:39:14,110 being here looking at us as containers 2478 01:39:18,930 --> 01:39:16,660 of souls all this crazy exotic stuff 2479 01:39:21,060 --> 01:39:18,940 makes no sense that they would show him 2480 01:39:23,910 --> 01:39:21,070 that stuff his first day at work before 2481 01:39:25,860 --> 01:39:23,920 he actually has his final clearance and 2482 01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:25,870 he had clearances before but Bob 2483 01:39:30,419 --> 01:39:28,570 acknowledges and I acknowledged that 2484 01:39:33,660 --> 01:39:30,429 could have been some sort of a false 2485 01:39:35,330 --> 01:39:33,670 flag operation disinformation I'll tell 2486 01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:35,340 you this though if it was meant to 2487 01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:37,810 distract attention away from something 2488 01:39:41,399 --> 01:39:39,489 else that was out there and somebody 2489 01:39:43,530 --> 01:39:41,409 really screwed up because as a result 2490 01:39:45,209 --> 01:39:43,540 that you are postally I mean maybe they 2491 01:39:47,250 --> 01:39:45,219 thought I would give up and it would all 2492 01:39:50,580 --> 01:39:47,260 blow over in a couple of days but we 2493 01:39:52,740 --> 01:39:50,590 stayed with it for a long time for years 2494 01:39:54,990 --> 01:39:52,750 and would do update reports and as a 2495 01:39:56,370 --> 01:39:55,000 result of those stories tens of 2496 01:39:57,660 --> 01:39:56,380 thousands of people have gone out the 2497 01:39:59,640 --> 01:39:57,670 area that you want they're there every 2498 01:40:01,200 --> 01:39:59,650 day watching whatever it is that's 2499 01:40:03,689 --> 01:40:01,210 flying around in the sky whether it's 2500 01:40:06,540 --> 01:40:03,699 flying saucers or advanced warplanes or 2501 01:40:08,819 --> 01:40:06,550 whatever or drones every major news 2502 01:40:11,550 --> 01:40:08,829 organization in the world be to pass to 2503 01:40:13,830 --> 01:40:11,560 their door the extra-terrestrial highway 2504 01:40:16,770 --> 01:40:13,840 was created it became an international 2505 01:40:19,169 --> 01:40:16,780 sensation video games and bars and songs 2506 01:40:20,790 --> 01:40:19,179 and movies and books if somebody was 2507 01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:20,800 just trying to distract attention from 2508 01:40:25,260 --> 01:40:22,690 something else out there they really 2509 01:40:27,589 --> 01:40:25,270 screwed up if we assume area 51 is what 2510 01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:27,599 we think it is but maybe area 51 is the 2511 01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:30,400 disinformation yeah it's a heck of a big 2512 01:40:34,919 --> 01:40:32,530 disinformation program because I mean 2513 01:40:36,270 --> 01:40:34,929 every day you can see the planes flying 2514 01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:36,280 in and out you can see the people 2515 01:40:40,169 --> 01:40:38,170 getting on it to go to work and you can 2516 01:40:42,300 --> 01:40:40,179 see them coming off coming home and 2517 01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:42,310 disembarking at night you can see the 2518 01:40:46,709 --> 01:40:43,690 hangars that have been added to the 2519 01:40:48,839 --> 01:40:46,719 facility the gigantic runways sometimes 2520 01:40:50,850 --> 01:40:48,849 you can see planes and things taking off 2521 01:40:53,629 --> 01:40:50,860 I mean if it's a deception it's one 2522 01:40:56,129 --> 01:40:53,639 really big ongoing deception and a 2523 01:40:58,080 --> 01:40:56,139 multi-billion dollar program I think 2524 01:41:00,060 --> 01:40:58,090 it's still a very valuable facility I 2525 01:41:02,069 --> 01:41:00,070 think it's the work that goes on out 2526 01:41:04,530 --> 01:41:02,079 there is vital to national security and 2527 01:41:07,109 --> 01:41:04,540 maybe somebody figured that they would 2528 01:41:09,180 --> 01:41:07,119 just float this as a trial balloon put 2529 01:41:11,370 --> 01:41:09,190 out some crazy story and then crash 2530 01:41:14,040 --> 01:41:11,380 lazar like a bug but it hasn't gone away 2531 01:41:16,890 --> 01:41:14,050 it resonates with people in a way that 2532 01:41:19,260 --> 01:41:16,900 maybe not always makes logical sense 2533 01:41:22,500 --> 01:41:19,270 speaking of Bob Lazar what is he doing 2534 01:41:25,189 --> 01:41:22,510 nowadays he lives in Michigan he had 2535 01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:25,199 been in New Mexico he'd built a facility 2536 01:41:30,899 --> 01:41:28,449 his own little well little 30 foot long 2537 01:41:33,390 --> 01:41:30,909 particle accelerator that was helping 2538 01:41:36,149 --> 01:41:33,400 him to produce his own sort of version 2539 01:41:39,089 --> 01:41:36,159 of hydrogen fuel he developed his 2540 01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:39,099 hydrogen fuel system for cars his own 2541 01:41:42,780 --> 01:41:41,050 his Corvette and his four wheel drive 2542 01:41:45,030 --> 01:41:42,790 hadn't run on gasoline in years 2543 01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:45,040 they could switch back and forth do it 2544 01:41:48,780 --> 01:41:46,690 he had a promise from the state of 2545 01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:48,790 Michigan to go up there if he'd move up 2546 01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:50,650 there they'd help him develop this 2547 01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:53,170 alternate fuel system of course he got 2548 01:41:58,590 --> 01:41:56,410 screwed once he got there moved lock 2549 01:42:00,870 --> 01:41:58,600 stock and barrel they changed their mind 2550 01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:00,880 but he's got an online business called 2551 01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:02,890 United nuclear he sells scientific 2552 01:42:09,390 --> 01:42:06,130 equipment to labs and schools and then 2553 01:42:10,650 --> 01:42:09,400 hobbyists a lot of weird strange stuff 2554 01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:10,660 that it's hard to find anywhere else 2555 01:42:15,810 --> 01:42:13,600 doing real well very happy happily 2556 01:42:18,930 --> 01:42:15,820 married and happy to leave the whole UFO 2557 01:42:21,660 --> 01:42:18,940 stuff behind all right this is unite 2558 01:42:24,510 --> 01:42:21,670 nuclear I see a site for that is that 2559 01:42:26,910 --> 01:42:24,520 him yeah I think so okay we'll have to 2560 01:42:29,310 --> 01:42:26,920 check that further Wow the weird people 2561 01:42:31,380 --> 01:42:29,320 that you find in the UFO field I'll tell 2562 01:42:33,690 --> 01:42:31,390 you do you think Bob Lazar is the 2563 01:42:35,670 --> 01:42:33,700 strangest who would you say was a 2564 01:42:39,090 --> 01:42:35,680 strangest person you've encountered in 2565 01:42:41,250 --> 01:42:39,100 the years you've covered this field oh I 2566 01:42:42,750 --> 01:42:41,260 wouldn't say the bob is the strangest I 2567 01:42:44,490 --> 01:42:42,760 mean he's actually a pretty normal guy 2568 01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:44,500 when you get him away from the UFO 2569 01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:47,890 subject I you know gene you've been to 2570 01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:49,840 these conventions before you have you 2571 01:42:56,220 --> 01:42:52,330 run into people who say that they're 2572 01:42:57,720 --> 01:42:56,230 from Venus or you know they I had people 2573 01:43:00,330 --> 01:42:57,730 I remember when I first started this 2574 01:43:02,130 --> 01:43:00,340 stuff had done some stories his lady 2575 01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:02,140 shows up and she's got to talk to me she 2576 01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:03,970 keeps calling me every day she's got to 2577 01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:06,130 see me got to talk to me I said all 2578 01:43:11,610 --> 01:43:09,370 right fine fine she shows up at the 2579 01:43:14,130 --> 01:43:11,620 front of the station and within me 2580 01:43:15,780 --> 01:43:14,140 within three minutes meeting her she was 2581 01:43:18,990 --> 01:43:15,790 telling me these intimate details about 2582 01:43:21,780 --> 01:43:19,000 her sex life she shows up with this tiny 2583 01:43:23,810 --> 01:43:21,790 halter top we're in this kind of 2584 01:43:27,060 --> 01:43:23,820 spilling out of it she's wearing a 2585 01:43:28,740 --> 01:43:27,070 skimpy outfit and carrying a baby and 2586 01:43:32,460 --> 01:43:28,750 she starts telling me the story that the 2587 01:43:34,970 --> 01:43:32,470 aliens first came to see her when she 2588 01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:34,980 was performing a sex act outside and 2589 01:43:40,680 --> 01:43:37,570 they beat her up on a ship they told her 2590 01:43:42,570 --> 01:43:40,690 to put on a bathing suit and whilst she 2591 01:43:45,060 --> 01:43:42,580 was modeling this bathing suit form on 2592 01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:45,070 their flying saucer they advised her to 2593 01:43:49,170 --> 01:43:47,650 get breast implants which and I can tell 2594 01:43:51,210 --> 01:43:49,180 you that there was ample physical 2595 01:43:52,950 --> 01:43:51,220 evidence of this staring me in the face 2596 01:43:56,370 --> 01:43:52,960 that that part of the story at least was 2597 01:44:00,210 --> 01:43:56,380 true I met guys who claimed 2598 01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:00,220 the twin brother of Jesus Christ alien 2599 01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:03,130 transsexuals I met a guy who said he had 2600 01:44:07,620 --> 01:44:05,770 worked at a secret bases and he really 2601 01:44:09,720 --> 01:44:07,630 did convince me that he had a military 2602 01:44:11,460 --> 01:44:09,730 background he could come over I'll show 2603 01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:11,470 you the device I used to contact the 2604 01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:13,570 aliens and I went to his house and he 2605 01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:15,370 took him in the back yard and it's a an 2606 01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:18,850 old bird bath with a rusted record rack 2607 01:44:23,730 --> 01:44:21,730 on top and a car headlight attached to 2608 01:44:25,740 --> 01:44:23,740 it and that was his device for contact 2609 01:44:28,290 --> 01:44:25,750 and the aliens and so I've met some 2610 01:44:30,750 --> 01:44:28,300 pretty crazy people Bob Lazar isn't even 2611 01:44:32,700 --> 01:44:30,760 close to the top ten George Knapp 2612 01:44:34,950 --> 01:44:32,710 telling us about the crazy people he's 2613 01:44:37,230 --> 01:44:34,960 met I suspect anyone who's been involved 2614 01:44:39,300 --> 01:44:37,240 in the UFO field paranormal field for 2615 01:44:41,100 --> 01:44:39,310 any length of time has met some crazy 2616 01:44:43,260 --> 01:44:41,110 people I know when I hung out with Jim 2617 01:44:45,810 --> 01:44:43,270 mostly in the old days and they had 2618 01:44:48,180 --> 01:44:45,820 these monthly lectures where they bring 2619 01:44:51,330 --> 01:44:48,190 on speakers Jim Mosely didn't 2620 01:44:54,510 --> 01:44:51,340 discriminate against the unserious or 2621 01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:54,520 wacky UFO researchers we had some pretty 2622 01:44:59,400 --> 01:44:56,890 strange people pretty strange people 2623 01:45:01,080 --> 01:44:59,410 indeed in fact I think our listeners 2624 01:45:03,540 --> 01:45:01,090 remember when we were playing old 2625 01:45:06,380 --> 01:45:03,550 segments of Bob's the Nadi's coffee 2626 01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:06,390 klatch radio show we ran a segment 2627 01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:10,480 featuring Andy Sinatra the mystic barber 2628 01:45:15,510 --> 01:45:12,970 and he was an original propeller head he 2629 01:45:17,010 --> 01:45:15,520 used to wear this aluminum foil thing on 2630 01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:17,020 his head we've got so much more to 2631 01:45:21,480 --> 01:45:18,610 continue with our guests George Knapp 2632 01:45:25,890 --> 01:45:21,490 with Gene and Kris you're in the air 2633 01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:29,410 are you tired of searching for great 2634 01:45:37,899 --> 01:45:32,570 talk-radio more important asserts real 2635 01:45:39,549 --> 01:45:37,909 overall we are the GCM radio network hi 2636 01:45:41,649 --> 01:45:39,559 this is Ted 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01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:14,040 detail about it and that is we had a 2693 01:48:19,939 --> 01:48:17,370 guest on the show the guy's name was 2694 01:48:22,729 --> 01:48:19,949 chip where that's name he used and he 2695 01:48:25,250 --> 01:48:22,739 claimed that he had worked at skinwalker 2696 01:48:27,290 --> 01:48:25,260 ranch for Bigelow what was pretty simple 2697 01:48:29,660 --> 01:48:27,300 I was contacted by another investigator 2698 01:48:33,770 --> 01:48:29,670 who said he had a source who had worked 2699 01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:33,780 for quite some time up on the ranch and 2700 01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:38,130 and had documentation to kind of verify 2701 01:48:44,209 --> 01:48:40,650 that which I did say and I vetted him 2702 01:48:47,870 --> 01:48:44,219 and spoke with him about his experiences 2703 01:48:50,479 --> 01:48:47,880 up there and it all seemed to wash at 2704 01:48:52,280 --> 01:48:50,489 least I mean he definitely appeared to 2705 01:48:54,970 --> 01:48:52,290 be the person that he claimed he was and 2706 01:48:57,560 --> 01:48:54,980 he had some pretty interesting 2707 01:48:59,120 --> 01:48:57,570 observations about how things operated 2708 01:49:01,040 --> 01:48:59,130 up there while he was there which is I 2709 01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:01,050 believe correct me if I'm wrong team but 2710 01:49:06,830 --> 01:49:04,320 I think it was in 2008 or the end of 2711 01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:06,840 2008 the game 2009 so this is fairly 2712 01:49:12,979 --> 01:49:10,080 recent in terms of his employment up 2713 01:49:16,310 --> 01:49:12,989 there for some reason he felt that words 2714 01:49:19,880 --> 01:49:16,320 should get out about how things operated 2715 01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:19,890 up there he didn't really experience 2716 01:49:26,060 --> 01:49:22,890 anything that I would I would call extra 2717 01:49:28,490 --> 01:49:26,070 mundane or the types of activity that 2718 01:49:31,610 --> 01:49:28,500 was reported early on in the late 90s 2719 01:49:33,590 --> 01:49:31,620 early 2000s but he did talk about 2720 01:49:36,970 --> 01:49:33,600 several things that I found very 2721 01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:36,980 interesting one was the he was 2722 01:49:43,189 --> 01:49:40,050 instructed during his security 2723 01:49:46,550 --> 01:49:43,199 walk-arounds at the ranch to obviously 2724 01:49:50,330 --> 01:49:46,560 keep track of activity outside the ranch 2725 01:49:52,610 --> 01:49:50,340 that was seemed to be people watching or 2726 01:49:54,859 --> 01:49:52,620 potential trespassers and that sort of 2727 01:49:57,830 --> 01:49:54,869 thing which I'm sure you're aware 2728 01:50:02,149 --> 01:49:57,840 a lot of that kind of activity was going 2729 01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:02,159 on do the variety in the place and and 2730 01:50:09,799 --> 01:50:07,530 he did log on a number of occasions some 2731 01:50:11,899 --> 01:50:09,809 pretty interesting incidents but he was 2732 01:50:14,810 --> 01:50:11,909 instructed to take photographs with a 2733 01:50:18,439 --> 01:50:14,820 digital camera and to be especially 2734 01:50:22,250 --> 01:50:18,449 mindful of those photographs where these 2735 01:50:24,439 --> 01:50:22,260 orbs showed up in the picture now most 2736 01:50:27,290 --> 01:50:24,449 of our listeners you Georgie and Angie 2737 01:50:30,649 --> 01:50:27,300 know that vast majority of these was 2738 01:50:33,259 --> 01:50:30,659 so-called orb pictures that the some of 2739 01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:33,269 the the whoo whoo crowd tends to really 2740 01:50:38,419 --> 01:50:35,570 blow it up and think that it's something 2741 01:50:40,729 --> 01:50:38,429 an indication of something extra mundane 2742 01:50:42,319 --> 01:50:40,739 we all know that most of these 2743 01:50:45,259 --> 01:50:42,329 photographs are particulate matter 2744 01:50:47,419 --> 01:50:45,269 that's you know being exposed by a flash 2745 01:50:49,489 --> 01:50:47,429 and out of focus they need to make them 2746 01:50:51,560 --> 01:50:49,499 appear but but he said yeah he 2747 01:50:54,979 --> 01:50:51,570 understood that but he was instructed to 2748 01:50:57,189 --> 01:50:54,989 make note of when these types of orbs 2749 01:51:00,259 --> 01:50:57,199 occurred in conjunction with 2750 01:51:01,580 --> 01:51:00,269 photographing around areas where he felt 2751 01:51:04,790 --> 01:51:01,590 that there was some sort of activity 2752 01:51:07,819 --> 01:51:04,800 going on or the dog that he would take 2753 01:51:09,919 --> 01:51:07,829 in his rounds would maybe react and he 2754 01:51:11,149 --> 01:51:09,929 would flash some pictures and he 2755 01:51:15,409 --> 01:51:11,159 mentioned something called the orb 2756 01:51:17,830 --> 01:51:15,419 project that mr. Bigelow or someone 2757 01:51:19,969 --> 01:51:17,840 there at near that at some point had 2758 01:51:22,459 --> 01:51:19,979 created some sort of project called the 2759 01:51:24,049 --> 01:51:22,469 orb project now when he mentioned this 2760 01:51:25,369 --> 01:51:24,059 this was news to me I had never heard 2761 01:51:27,379 --> 01:51:25,379 this before and I was wondering that 2762 01:51:30,529 --> 01:51:27,389 this was something that you heard about 2763 01:51:32,810 --> 01:51:30,539 and whether there was any indication to 2764 01:51:34,659 --> 01:51:32,820 you and based on your kind of insider 2765 01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:34,669 knowledge up there that these orbs 2766 01:51:39,350 --> 01:51:37,530 showing up in pictures were somehow 2767 01:51:39,979 --> 01:51:39,360 important does that ring any sort of 2768 01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:39,989 bell with you 2769 01:51:45,229 --> 01:51:43,530 it does it does I think a guide ship 2770 01:51:47,600 --> 01:51:45,239 from what I remember a couple of years 2771 01:51:49,219 --> 01:51:47,610 ago really did work there I don't 2772 01:51:52,270 --> 01:51:49,229 remember what his name is it might have 2773 01:51:54,619 --> 01:51:52,280 been chip and I I do recall hearing 2774 01:51:56,600 --> 01:51:54,629 tangentially I'd never heard it called 2775 01:51:59,000 --> 01:51:56,610 the orb project but I do remember 2776 01:52:01,790 --> 01:51:59,010 hearing tangentially of an interest in 2777 01:52:03,560 --> 01:52:01,800 orbs and and recognizing that the vast 2778 01:52:06,109 --> 01:52:03,570 majority of them are are easily 2779 01:52:08,060 --> 01:52:06,119 explained and and I think Bigelow and 2780 01:52:09,650 --> 01:52:08,070 his team are aware of that but 2781 01:52:11,750 --> 01:52:09,660 along the line they've got some very 2782 01:52:14,420 --> 01:52:11,760 indication that at least some of these 2783 01:52:17,240 --> 01:52:14,430 things represent something else and I 2784 01:52:18,770 --> 01:52:17,250 remember early in the early days of the 2785 01:52:20,360 --> 01:52:18,780 stuff of the ranch Chris you were there 2786 01:52:23,240 --> 01:52:20,370 before I was but in the early days of 2787 01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:23,250 the ranch when when Terry was and his 2788 01:52:27,110 --> 01:52:24,810 family were still there they would see 2789 01:52:29,240 --> 01:52:27,120 these orbs of different colored kind of 2790 01:52:30,950 --> 01:52:29,250 things that would float around right 2791 01:52:33,380 --> 01:52:30,960 well those are the softball sized blue 2792 01:52:35,750 --> 01:52:33,390 blue lights I thought it was a little 2793 01:52:37,910 --> 01:52:35,760 odd along with Terry with yeah but there 2794 01:52:39,740 --> 01:52:37,920 are other colors too but the the smaller 2795 01:52:41,900 --> 01:52:39,750 ones I think tended to be the blue and 2796 01:52:45,950 --> 01:52:41,910 sort of whitish color ones but these you 2797 01:52:47,660 --> 01:52:45,960 could readily see with the naked eye the 2798 01:52:51,440 --> 01:52:47,670 ones that he was referring to were not 2799 01:52:53,570 --> 01:52:51,450 visible except on being revealed on 2800 01:52:55,970 --> 01:52:53,580 these digital photographs and I I've 2801 01:52:57,890 --> 01:52:55,980 been debunking the orb photographs for 2802 01:52:59,600 --> 01:52:57,900 years trying to get people to understand 2803 01:53:03,830 --> 01:52:59,610 that it's particulate matter insects 2804 01:53:05,990 --> 01:53:03,840 whatever but he this this guy claimed 2805 01:53:07,910 --> 01:53:06,000 that hey even if these things turn up 2806 01:53:10,820 --> 01:53:07,920 and even if they are mundane they're an 2807 01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:10,830 indication of something and and I was I 2808 01:53:13,790 --> 01:53:12,330 always found that very interesting and 2809 01:53:16,430 --> 01:53:13,800 I've always wanted to find out more 2810 01:53:19,220 --> 01:53:16,440 about this orb project because if there 2811 01:53:20,780 --> 01:53:19,230 is some indicative quality to these 2812 01:53:23,570 --> 01:53:20,790 things that might indicate there's 2813 01:53:25,640 --> 01:53:23,580 something energetically going on in a 2814 01:53:29,240 --> 01:53:25,650 particular location I would like to know 2815 01:53:31,820 --> 01:53:29,250 more about that do you think yeah go 2816 01:53:33,020 --> 01:53:31,830 ahead I think that there is something to 2817 01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:33,030 it that they have some kind of 2818 01:53:37,730 --> 01:53:35,370 indication and I have not privy to to 2819 01:53:39,230 --> 01:53:37,740 that the specifics but they have some 2820 01:53:41,510 --> 01:53:39,240 kind of indication at least some of 2821 01:53:43,850 --> 01:53:41,520 these things are of interest I suspect 2822 01:53:46,310 --> 01:53:43,860 that they would have had ship or guys 2823 01:53:49,850 --> 01:53:46,320 like them go ahead and photograph it 2824 01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:49,860 regardless and and report it regardless 2825 01:53:53,090 --> 01:53:51,570 of what do you think it's real or not 2826 01:53:55,070 --> 01:53:53,100 and let somebody else make the 2827 01:53:56,600 --> 01:53:55,080 determination of whether there's there's 2828 01:53:57,350 --> 01:53:56,610 something to it other than the security 2829 01:54:00,140 --> 01:53:57,360 guy 2830 01:54:02,840 --> 01:54:00,150 I wish I could tell you more I can ask 2831 01:54:05,630 --> 01:54:02,850 about it and see what I find out but I 2832 01:54:06,770 --> 01:54:05,640 have not been to the ranch since right 2833 01:54:11,300 --> 01:54:06,780 about the same time that they started 2834 01:54:13,070 --> 01:54:11,310 having the 24/7 security right Bigelow 2835 01:54:15,080 --> 01:54:13,080 had been complaining about all the 2836 01:54:17,510 --> 01:54:15,090 intrusions and and he and I went up 2837 01:54:20,360 --> 01:54:17,520 there with a security chief and had had 2838 01:54:21,740 --> 01:54:20,370 some encounters every time both nights 2839 01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:21,750 we were there and 2840 01:54:25,370 --> 01:54:23,370 after that he decided to have security 2841 01:54:27,890 --> 01:54:25,380 and it's justified too as because as you 2842 01:54:29,900 --> 01:54:27,900 know it's been crazy yet there oh and I 2843 01:54:31,970 --> 01:54:29,910 were talking about earlier intrusions 2844 01:54:34,460 --> 01:54:31,980 pretty much every day a lot of it just 2845 01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:34,470 kids wasn't scared they're their gates 2846 01:54:41,180 --> 01:54:37,050 but it's also really some pretty nasty 2847 01:54:43,940 --> 01:54:41,190 stuff nasty vandalism and crazy UFO 2848 01:54:46,790 --> 01:54:43,950 people that they've had to take measures 2849 01:54:48,500 --> 01:54:46,800 to deal with I do know that at least 2850 01:54:50,090 --> 01:54:48,510 some of the security people who've been 2851 01:54:51,980 --> 01:54:50,100 up there in the last couple of years 2852 01:54:53,540 --> 01:54:51,990 have had their own experiences I know 2853 01:54:57,260 --> 01:54:53,550 that there have been continuing 2854 01:54:59,740 --> 01:54:57,270 experiences in the larger Basin area but 2855 01:55:02,270 --> 01:54:59,750 I wish I knew enough about the orb 2856 01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:02,280 research to tell you more but I do know 2857 01:55:06,260 --> 01:55:04,530 I have heard them say that they're 2858 01:55:08,660 --> 01:55:06,270 interested in the phenomenon and I don't 2859 01:55:10,340 --> 01:55:08,670 have to guess that at least a few of 2860 01:55:14,300 --> 01:55:10,350 these things are more interesting than 2861 01:55:16,430 --> 01:55:14,310 just pieces of dust in the sky right and 2862 01:55:20,210 --> 01:55:16,440 I agree with you on that and I'd like to 2863 01:55:22,730 --> 01:55:20,220 know more one of the questions that we 2864 01:55:25,010 --> 01:55:22,740 have here it talks about the dog that 2865 01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:25,020 this guy used to walk around with and 2866 01:55:29,480 --> 01:55:27,450 one of the things that I've always taken 2867 01:55:31,370 --> 01:55:29,490 note of especially in the cattle 2868 01:55:33,500 --> 01:55:31,380 mutilation cases that I investigated I 2869 01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:33,510 took along my brothers Pyrenees who who 2870 01:55:38,420 --> 01:55:35,850 was the lead investigator in the first 2871 01:55:41,350 --> 01:55:38,430 one into a particular site I think dogs 2872 01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:41,360 are a very very good tool and we 2873 01:55:46,790 --> 01:55:43,770 mentioned that sometimes the dogs would 2874 01:55:49,370 --> 01:55:46,800 roll over and in in in an act out of 2875 01:55:53,480 --> 01:55:49,380 character for them you know either cower 2876 01:55:56,240 --> 01:55:53,490 or rolled over and actually kind of show 2877 01:55:59,270 --> 01:55:56,250 their neck so to speak and and you know 2878 01:56:02,240 --> 01:55:59,280 be subservient to some sort of energy 2879 01:56:05,750 --> 01:56:02,250 that they were feeling and how about the 2880 01:56:07,700 --> 01:56:05,760 dogs do you know if have dog reactions 2881 01:56:09,740 --> 01:56:07,710 were ever ever really something 2882 01:56:12,080 --> 01:56:09,750 important that was noted yeah there were 2883 01:56:14,110 --> 01:56:12,090 a bunch of them and fairly dramatic 2884 01:56:17,750 --> 01:56:14,120 incidents there was one incident where a 2885 01:56:19,580 --> 01:56:17,760 physicist accompanied by another PhD 2886 01:56:21,230 --> 01:56:19,590 they're walking and they in the middle 2887 01:56:22,760 --> 01:56:21,240 homestead and you you've been there 2888 01:56:24,380 --> 01:56:22,770 Chris but they're walking in the middle 2889 01:56:27,170 --> 01:56:24,390 homestead at night with these two dogs 2890 01:56:29,720 --> 01:56:27,180 all of a sudden this big black blob 2891 01:56:32,510 --> 01:56:29,730 starts floating through the trees and 2892 01:56:34,430 --> 01:56:32,520 the dogs suddenly stop they get behind 2893 01:56:35,509 --> 01:56:34,440 these guys hide behind their legs 2894 01:56:37,720 --> 01:56:35,519 they're cowering and 2895 01:56:40,459 --> 01:56:37,730 and shivering and then this this 2896 01:56:42,830 --> 01:56:40,469 intelligence sort of took over the brain 2897 01:56:45,770 --> 01:56:42,840 of one of the guys and started speaking 2898 01:56:46,220 --> 01:56:45,780 through him and these dogs were scared 2899 01:56:48,169 --> 01:56:46,230 to death 2900 01:56:50,779 --> 01:56:48,179 you've all seen pictures of the ranch 2901 01:56:53,060 --> 01:56:50,789 and these strange observation towers 2902 01:56:56,299 --> 01:56:53,070 that were built with fences around them 2903 01:56:58,430 --> 01:56:56,309 the knids team had dogs they call them 2904 01:57:00,770 --> 01:56:58,440 biosensors they thought they're so 2905 01:57:03,709 --> 01:57:00,780 attuned to the environment that they'd 2906 01:57:06,799 --> 01:57:03,719 be valuable as sensory devices and they 2907 01:57:08,479 --> 01:57:06,809 put them in these in these fences and so 2908 01:57:11,029 --> 01:57:08,489 many games were played with the dogs 2909 01:57:13,580 --> 01:57:11,039 where the locks were ripped off and and 2910 01:57:16,009 --> 01:57:13,590 the dogs were let go you'll also recall 2911 01:57:18,529 --> 01:57:16,019 the story about that the rancher told 2912 01:57:21,109 --> 01:57:18,539 about one of the last draws that he had 2913 01:57:22,879 --> 01:57:21,119 on the property okay we have to stop for 2914 01:57:24,379 --> 01:57:22,889 a second we have to do a break and then 2915 01:57:26,839 --> 01:57:24,389 we'll get back with more of this 2916 01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:26,849 discussion with Gene and Kris you're in 2917 01:57:42,700 --> 01:57:38,670 [Music] 2918 01:57:44,980 --> 01:57:42,710 is there a secret UFO agenda to strange 2919 01:57:47,290 --> 01:57:44,990 creatures from the darkest corners of 2920 01:57:50,100 --> 01:57:47,300 the mind roam the earth is there 2921 01:57:53,740 --> 01:57:50,110 evidence for mind control time travel or 2922 01:57:55,360 --> 01:57:53,750 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--> 02:02:00,690 forum dot the podcast.com with Jean and 3005 02:02:05,379 --> 02:02:02,400 Chris in the para cast we have George 3006 02:02:07,669 --> 02:02:05,389 Knapp the show has not gone to the dogs 3007 02:02:10,790 --> 02:02:07,679 except these having you about the 3008 02:02:12,890 --> 02:02:10,800 peculiar or frightened reaction of our 3009 02:02:15,350 --> 02:02:12,900 canine friends when they're over at 3010 02:02:16,910 --> 02:02:15,360 skinwalker ranch there's the one story 3011 02:02:19,010 --> 02:02:16,920 and maybe this is when you were on the 3012 02:02:20,660 --> 02:02:19,020 phone Chris with the ranchers that he's 3013 02:02:22,490 --> 02:02:20,670 talking on the phone and there's blue 3014 02:02:25,669 --> 02:02:22,500 meanie one of these blue objects is 3015 02:02:27,890 --> 02:02:25,679 luring the three of his dogs out into 3016 02:02:29,479 --> 02:02:27,900 the pasture they're jumping up at it 3017 02:02:31,910 --> 02:02:29,489 snapping their jaws and it stays just 3018 02:02:33,770 --> 02:02:31,920 out of their reach and it lures them 3019 02:02:35,660 --> 02:02:33,780 across the pasture out into the brush 3020 02:02:37,250 --> 02:02:35,670 and then all of a sudden it goes out of 3021 02:02:40,339 --> 02:02:37,260 sight and the rancher hears these 3022 02:02:42,020 --> 02:02:40,349 horrible screams and it turns out the 3023 02:02:43,910 --> 02:02:42,030 next day he finds the remains of these 3024 02:02:46,280 --> 02:02:43,920 dogs they basically just been vaporized 3025 02:02:49,399 --> 02:02:46,290 these three greasy spots on the ground 3026 02:02:51,589 --> 02:02:49,409 there's one other dog story is that they 3027 02:02:53,750 --> 02:02:51,599 day that this calf was mutilated in 3028 02:02:55,609 --> 02:02:53,760 broad daylight on a Sunday morning in 3029 02:02:58,010 --> 02:02:55,619 full view of the rancher and his wife as 3030 02:03:00,169 --> 02:02:58,020 they're out tagging the years of these 3031 02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:00,179 newborn calves there's one calf the 3032 02:03:04,609 --> 02:03:02,010 first one that they had tagged was 3033 02:03:07,580 --> 02:03:04,619 stripped of 75 pounds of meat in a 3034 02:03:10,520 --> 02:03:07,590 matter of 30 minutes no sound no 3035 02:03:12,470 --> 02:03:10,530 anything they were alerted to what was 3036 02:03:14,209 --> 02:03:12,480 going on by a dog which was started 3037 02:03:16,040 --> 02:03:14,219 barking in the direction of where they 3038 02:03:17,870 --> 02:03:16,050 had come barking in the direction to 3039 02:03:19,640 --> 02:03:17,880 where this cap and Amelia did and then 3040 02:03:22,010 --> 02:03:19,650 the dog took off in the opposite 3041 02:03:24,229 --> 02:03:22,020 direction and they never saw it again so 3042 02:03:26,390 --> 02:03:24,239 they had a lot of strange reactions to 3043 02:03:29,600 --> 02:03:26,400 dogs both the rancher and the mids 3044 02:03:32,359 --> 02:03:29,610 family and I think it's very telling how 3045 02:03:33,979 --> 02:03:32,369 about the dog man you recall hearing 3046 02:03:37,790 --> 02:03:33,989 anything about that I think this would 3047 02:03:40,669 --> 02:03:37,800 have been December 2009 where this 3048 02:03:43,600 --> 02:03:40,679 almost sounded like a werewolf type 3049 02:03:45,979 --> 02:03:43,610 creature was seen leaping from 3050 02:03:50,479 --> 02:03:45,989 reservation house to reservation house 3051 02:03:54,530 --> 02:03:50,489 leaps of twenty feet or more it was my 3052 02:03:57,020 --> 02:03:54,540 understanding that that needs personnel 3053 02:03:58,609 --> 02:03:57,030 hired a private investigator team to go 3054 02:04:01,100 --> 02:03:58,619 up there and do a survey of some of the 3055 02:04:02,689 --> 02:04:01,110 witnesses do you recall that I I don't 3056 02:04:03,500 --> 02:04:02,699 know much about that one but I'll tell 3057 02:04:05,509 --> 02:04:03,510 you an earlier 3058 02:04:07,609 --> 02:04:05,519 and I you know this is one of the the 3059 02:04:09,470 --> 02:04:07,619 only story that column Kelleher and I 3060 02:04:10,370 --> 02:04:09,480 have struggled with about whether to 3061 02:04:12,560 --> 02:04:10,380 include in the book 3062 02:04:15,080 --> 02:04:12,570 I mean it's filled with a whole bunch of 3063 02:04:16,729 --> 02:04:15,090 weird stuff but we really had trouble 3064 02:04:19,459 --> 02:04:16,739 with the story the dog band and this is 3065 02:04:22,100 --> 02:04:19,469 a story that was told by two Native 3066 02:04:24,680 --> 02:04:22,110 American police officers who had been 3067 02:04:27,020 --> 02:04:24,690 friendly with the Bigelow organization 3068 02:04:28,640 --> 02:04:27,030 they're on patrol and they come up to 3069 02:04:30,560 --> 02:04:28,650 the dirt road that leads to the ranch 3070 02:04:32,839 --> 02:04:30,570 and they see a couple of guys standing 3071 02:04:34,879 --> 02:04:32,849 smoking cigarettes were in trench coats 3072 02:04:36,799 --> 02:04:34,889 looking down the dirt road toward the 3073 02:04:38,330 --> 02:04:36,809 ranch they shine their light on him and 3074 02:04:40,339 --> 02:04:38,340 these guys turn around look at him and 3075 02:04:42,770 --> 02:04:40,349 they were dogs they had dog faces 3076 02:04:44,810 --> 02:04:42,780 smoking cigarettes the two Indian 3077 02:04:47,779 --> 02:04:44,820 officers look at each other almost in 3078 02:04:49,729 --> 02:04:47,789 total shock looked back and these guys 3079 02:04:51,799 --> 02:04:49,739 are gone poof they walk out of their 3080 02:04:53,450 --> 02:04:51,809 cars look around flash the flashlights 3081 02:04:56,029 --> 02:04:53,460 they found two cigarettes that were 3082 02:04:57,140 --> 02:04:56,039 still burning but the guys were gone and 3083 02:04:59,270 --> 02:04:57,150 I would have thought that was so 3084 02:05:01,339 --> 02:04:59,280 ridiculous that it would hurt our 3085 02:05:03,080 --> 02:05:01,349 credibility to include it but we decided 3086 02:05:04,879 --> 02:05:03,090 to go ahead and throw it in and let 3087 02:05:06,589 --> 02:05:04,889 people judge it for themselves and since 3088 02:05:08,330 --> 02:05:06,599 then of course Linda Godfrey has written 3089 02:05:11,180 --> 02:05:08,340 a couple of books about the dog men and 3090 02:05:13,129 --> 02:05:11,190 the the tribe there it lives in the fort 3091 02:05:15,950 --> 02:05:13,139 douching area has had other stories 3092 02:05:18,830 --> 02:05:15,960 about these creatures that look like men 3093 02:05:21,649 --> 02:05:18,840 they're bipedal humanoid shapes but with 3094 02:05:23,149 --> 02:05:21,659 dog faces I don't know the results of 3095 02:05:25,910 --> 02:05:23,159 the investigators that were hired to 3096 02:05:27,649 --> 02:05:25,920 track that story down but it would not 3097 02:05:29,419 --> 02:05:27,659 surprise me at all it's very consistent 3098 02:05:31,549 --> 02:05:29,429 with other stories that we've heard in 3099 02:05:33,700 --> 02:05:31,559 that area and other stories that I've 3100 02:05:35,779 --> 02:05:33,710 heard since the the book came out about 3101 02:05:39,140 --> 02:05:35,789 I'm sure you've heard the same kind of 3102 02:05:41,569 --> 02:05:39,150 things too I have and this one 3103 02:05:43,850 --> 02:05:41,579 particular incident was actually 3104 02:05:45,350 --> 02:05:43,860 witnessed by law enforcement personnel 3105 02:05:47,299 --> 02:05:45,360 it didn't happen on the ranch but 3106 02:05:49,819 --> 02:05:47,309 happened up the road and Fort Dechaine 3107 02:05:52,959 --> 02:05:49,829 and in the descriptions that that I 3108 02:05:56,209 --> 02:05:52,969 heard based on some of my my own 3109 02:05:58,189 --> 02:05:56,219 research up there and also a couple of 3110 02:05:59,899 --> 02:05:58,199 other researchers talked to some folks 3111 02:06:02,240 --> 02:05:59,909 up there and one of the law enforcement 3112 02:06:06,500 --> 02:06:02,250 officers this thing was actually leaping 3113 02:06:08,569 --> 02:06:06,510 from rooftop to rooftop with you know 3114 02:06:10,339 --> 02:06:08,579 the space of 20 to 30 feet in between 3115 02:06:13,299 --> 02:06:10,349 these houses and it was able to cover 3116 02:06:16,140 --> 02:06:13,309 this distance in their estimation 3117 02:06:18,840 --> 02:06:16,150 effortlessly so there's a 3118 02:06:19,470 --> 02:06:18,850 I found stuff going on I questioned 3119 02:06:21,780 --> 02:06:19,480 about it 3120 02:06:24,990 --> 02:06:21,790 we have interesting question here which 3121 02:06:27,840 --> 02:06:25,000 I did not know this information but this 3122 02:06:30,330 --> 02:06:27,850 comes from black rock lobster he's one 3123 02:06:32,160 --> 02:06:30,340 of our he's been a poster at formed out 3124 02:06:35,370 --> 02:06:32,170 the para cast calm for about a year now 3125 02:06:38,220 --> 02:06:35,380 and he's a Utah resident and he's an 3126 02:06:40,890 --> 02:06:38,230 avid caver and he says I often wonder 3127 02:06:43,830 --> 02:06:40,900 why is it never mentioned that so many 3128 02:06:45,479 --> 02:06:43,840 extensive cave systems exist around the 3129 02:06:48,000 --> 02:06:45,489 area of the ranch and you in a base and 3130 02:06:50,700 --> 02:06:48,010 I have been in the caves with six or 3131 02:06:52,740 --> 02:06:50,710 more miles of passages in that area with 3132 02:06:55,530 --> 02:06:52,750 subterranean lakes that seem bottomless 3133 02:06:58,080 --> 02:06:55,540 and his question is is was there any 3134 02:07:00,540 --> 02:06:58,090 Geographic study included in the 3135 02:07:02,790 --> 02:07:00,550 investigation he says that you 3136 02:07:05,070 --> 02:07:02,800 participated in obviously I don't think 3137 02:07:08,130 --> 02:07:05,080 so but do know of any sort of 3138 02:07:10,640 --> 02:07:08,140 subterranean mapping work that knids may 3139 02:07:13,050 --> 02:07:10,650 have done at some point or any sort of 3140 02:07:16,410 --> 02:07:13,060 indication that they had an interest in 3141 02:07:17,880 --> 02:07:16,420 in possible subterranean negative spaces 3142 02:07:21,689 --> 02:07:17,890 cavern system that sort of thing in the 3143 02:07:23,729 --> 02:07:21,699 area and also would you comment on the 3144 02:07:26,010 --> 02:07:23,739 secrecy surrounding cave locations and 3145 02:07:29,520 --> 02:07:26,020 they're tightly guarded access by groups 3146 02:07:30,870 --> 02:07:29,530 like the NSS and I'm not sure I think he 3147 02:07:33,149 --> 02:07:30,880 might be talking about NIN's 3148 02:07:34,709 --> 02:07:33,159 yeah you know what I've never heard of 3149 02:07:36,419 --> 02:07:34,719 this extensive cave system it's 3150 02:07:37,620 --> 02:07:36,429 completely news to me and Chris I don't 3151 02:07:40,530 --> 02:07:37,630 know if you've heard of it before but 3152 02:07:42,479 --> 02:07:40,540 it's it's news to me I do know that the 3153 02:07:45,209 --> 02:07:42,489 mids guys were when they first got on 3154 02:07:47,700 --> 02:07:45,219 the ranch were looking for prosaic 3155 02:07:49,500 --> 02:07:47,710 explanations for a variety of phenomena 3156 02:07:51,840 --> 02:07:49,510 that been reported so they were looking 3157 02:07:54,479 --> 02:07:51,850 for gravity anomalies they did a lot of 3158 02:07:56,160 --> 02:07:54,489 aerial surveys they were interested in 3159 02:07:57,990 --> 02:07:56,170 underground stuff only because of the 3160 02:08:00,360 --> 02:07:58,000 stories told by the rancher about these 3161 02:08:02,340 --> 02:08:00,370 strange conditions that were placed on 3162 02:08:05,010 --> 02:08:02,350 him by the previous owners no right 3163 02:08:07,110 --> 02:08:05,020 either and and you'll recall that the 3164 02:08:08,820 --> 02:08:07,120 family that lived there often heard 3165 02:08:11,010 --> 02:08:08,830 things underground it was like there was 3166 02:08:13,590 --> 02:08:11,020 an underground railroad or like a steel 3167 02:08:16,200 --> 02:08:13,600 mill they would hear these sounds they'd 3168 02:08:18,060 --> 02:08:16,210 feel the ground Rumble they also would 3169 02:08:20,820 --> 02:08:18,070 see sometimes bursts of light that would 3170 02:08:22,590 --> 02:08:20,830 come seemingly out of the ground and so 3171 02:08:24,479 --> 02:08:22,600 there was a lot of stuff that they 3172 02:08:27,899 --> 02:08:24,489 suspected about underground 3173 02:08:30,209 --> 02:08:27,909 I know the nihms folks in years after 3174 02:08:32,220 --> 02:08:30,219 the the peak of the activity 3175 02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:32,230 regretted that they didn't do more 3176 02:08:37,080 --> 02:08:34,330 ground activity they always talked about 3177 02:08:39,540 --> 02:08:37,090 having ground-penetrating radar but of 3178 02:08:41,100 --> 02:08:39,550 course you got 480 acres that's a that's 3179 02:08:43,140 --> 02:08:41,110 a lot of ground to cover with 3180 02:08:45,780 --> 02:08:43,150 ground-penetrating radar and they never 3181 02:08:48,020 --> 02:08:45,790 did it I've never heard about the caves 3182 02:08:50,609 --> 02:08:48,030 I don't know what about any gathering 3183 02:08:52,649 --> 02:08:50,619 protection or keeping people out of 3184 02:08:55,350 --> 02:08:52,659 these caves I don't think it's needs 3185 02:08:59,280 --> 02:08:55,360 that's doing it but I did hear about 3186 02:09:01,379 --> 02:08:59,290 some some canyons that were strictly 3187 02:09:04,590 --> 02:09:01,389 off-limits but the tribe had mentioned 3188 02:09:07,680 --> 02:09:04,600 needs and their permission to go to 3189 02:09:10,050 --> 02:09:07,690 those canyons which were I think a 3190 02:09:12,090 --> 02:09:10,060 couple of miles from the ranch the story 3191 02:09:14,700 --> 02:09:12,100 the junior Hicks and others had told is 3192 02:09:17,850 --> 02:09:14,710 this supposed skinwalker that would 3193 02:09:20,669 --> 02:09:17,860 travel the ridge lived in this canyon 3194 02:09:22,590 --> 02:09:20,679 and the tribe said absolutely not you 3195 02:09:24,990 --> 02:09:22,600 can't go there there's no study white 3196 02:09:26,280 --> 02:09:25,000 men are not allowed so that's as close 3197 02:09:28,859 --> 02:09:26,290 as I get any caged 3198 02:09:30,750 --> 02:09:28,869 how about stories of another Canyon it 3199 02:09:34,260 --> 02:09:30,760 was about 30 miles away I think for the 3200 02:09:38,070 --> 02:09:34,270 southwest one name that I heard 3201 02:09:40,379 --> 02:09:38,080 associated with it was dark Canyon that 3202 02:09:42,240 --> 02:09:40,389 yeah does that ring a bell because 3203 02:09:44,580 --> 02:09:42,250 evidently there was quite a bit of 3204 02:09:48,209 --> 02:09:44,590 activity in that area some of some of 3205 02:09:50,729 --> 02:09:48,219 which is quite reminiscent of things 3206 02:09:54,870 --> 02:09:50,739 that the latarian and Gwen were 3207 02:09:56,189 --> 02:09:54,880 reporting prior to nudes or arrival well 3208 02:09:58,560 --> 02:09:56,199 we might be talking about the same 3209 02:10:00,180 --> 02:09:58,570 Canyon I'm just guessing up with a 3210 02:10:02,640 --> 02:10:00,190 couple miles away it might have been 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02:14:22,040 --> 02:14:20,400 stating a central bank issuing the 3322 02:14:23,150 --> 02:14:22,050 public currency is a greater menace to 3323 02:14:24,890 --> 02:14:23,160 the liberties of the people than a 3324 02:14:26,330 --> 02:14:24,900 standing army hi Ted Anderson I'm 3325 02:14:28,160 --> 02:14:26,340 placing a free silver dollar in a book 3326 02:14:31,670 --> 02:14:28,170 that explains our monetary system call 3327 02:14:34,880 --> 02:14:31,680 for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time 3328 02:14:40,370 --> 02:14:34,890 to understand the system call 866 to 237 3329 02:14:43,130 --> 02:14:40,380 that's 800 686 to 237 hi this is Don 3330 02:14:45,440 --> 02:14:43,140 Ecker and you are tuned in to the para 3331 02:14:48,470 --> 02:14:45,450 CASP let me tell you what you're gonna 3332 02:14:51,410 --> 02:14:48,480 hear stuff here that you probably won't 3333 02:14:53,020 --> 02:14:51,420 hear anywhere else hear that George 3334 02:14:55,610 --> 02:14:53,030 Noory 3335 02:14:57,110 --> 02:14:55,620 Regina and Chris on the para cast George 3336 02:14:59,150 --> 02:14:57,120 Knapp investigative journalist 3337 02:15:01,670 --> 02:14:59,160 award-winning investigative journalists 3338 02:15:03,800 --> 02:15:01,680 who was one of the co-authors of the 3339 02:15:05,540 --> 02:15:03,810 hunt for the skinwalker and discovered 3340 02:15:07,970 --> 02:15:05,550 this field for so many years with a 3341 02:15:09,860 --> 02:15:07,980 tolerance of his bosses Chris you were 3342 02:15:13,550 --> 02:15:09,870 asking questions from our question Bank 3343 02:15:14,900 --> 02:15:13,560 section at forum dr. Peric ascom I know 3344 02:15:17,810 --> 02:15:14,910 there are few more left would you 3345 02:15:20,390 --> 02:15:17,820 proceed indeed and this comes from son 3346 02:15:22,790 --> 02:15:20,400 of a skunk I always wondered where he 3347 02:15:25,130 --> 02:15:22,800 got the name from and he kind of lets us 3348 02:15:27,380 --> 02:15:25,140 know in his question he says my dad 3349 02:15:29,900 --> 02:15:27,390 worked for the Lockheed skunkworks back 3350 02:15:31,970 --> 02:15:29,910 in the day hence the username he was a 3351 02:15:34,190 --> 02:15:31,980 journeyman machinist but all the way up 3352 02:15:36,110 --> 02:15:34,200 into his 80s he would never discuss what 3353 02:15:38,660 --> 02:15:36,120 he did there in fact it wasn't until 3354 02:15:40,310 --> 02:15:38,670 years after he retired that he would 3355 02:15:42,980 --> 02:15:40,320 even admit that he worked in that part 3356 02:15:45,320 --> 02:15:42,990 of Lockheed I've always understood his 3357 02:15:47,420 --> 02:15:45,330 loyalty to his country its secrets and 3358 02:15:50,390 --> 02:15:47,430 applaud him for it but my question is 3359 02:15:52,640 --> 02:15:50,400 this obviously in your investigation of 3360 02:15:55,100 --> 02:15:52,650 the skunk or Terry 51 excetera 3361 02:15:57,530 --> 02:15:55,110 you've also run into this reluctance to 3362 02:15:59,930 --> 02:15:57,540 talk how much of the history of these 3363 02:16:02,330 --> 02:15:59,940 places projects and workers do you feel 3364 02:16:04,700 --> 02:16:02,340 has been lost forever because workers 3365 02:16:07,310 --> 02:16:04,710 like my dad refused to say anything even 3366 02:16:09,440 --> 02:16:07,320 anonymously and he also adds PS thanks 3367 02:16:11,450 --> 02:16:09,450 for so promptly answered by treats an 3368 02:16:13,040 --> 02:16:11,460 email to you about your public speaking 3369 02:16:16,280 --> 02:16:13,050 schedule in the good old days at 3370 02:16:20,450 --> 02:16:18,770 well skunk I will tell you this I think 3371 02:16:22,610 --> 02:16:20,460 a lot of that history has been lost 3372 02:16:25,700 --> 02:16:22,620 because of excessive secrecy I mean 3373 02:16:27,530 --> 02:16:25,710 stuff was classified that so deep and 3374 02:16:29,810 --> 02:16:27,540 dark down in a hole that it will never 3375 02:16:32,300 --> 02:16:29,820 come out I applaud the efforts of people 3376 02:16:34,400 --> 02:16:32,310 like the Roadrunners that seven years 3377 02:16:36,080 --> 02:16:34,410 ago or so they came out that I think I 3378 02:16:38,240 --> 02:16:36,090 got the first TV interviews with him 3379 02:16:40,790 --> 02:16:38,250 where they were at clearance from the 3380 02:16:45,680 --> 02:16:40,800 CIA to finally talk about projects they 3381 02:16:48,980 --> 02:16:45,690 worked on 50 years ago the sr-71 the u2 3382 02:16:50,419 --> 02:16:48,990 the a12 these amazing machines that 3383 02:16:52,730 --> 02:16:50,429 helped win the Cold War that were 3384 02:16:54,140 --> 02:16:52,740 developed by out there at area 51 but 3385 02:16:57,560 --> 02:16:54,150 there's a heck of a lot of Secrets that 3386 02:16:59,419 --> 02:16:57,570 have not been cleared for them to talk 3387 02:17:01,280 --> 02:16:59,429 about I'm glad for the ones that we do 3388 02:17:03,020 --> 02:17:01,290 know those guys are different generation 3389 02:17:05,660 --> 02:17:03,030 you know when they took an oath to keep 3390 02:17:07,700 --> 02:17:05,670 a secret they kept it and and very few 3391 02:17:08,840 --> 02:17:07,710 of them have talked about the things 3392 02:17:11,300 --> 02:17:08,850 that they worked on they wouldn't even 3393 02:17:14,750 --> 02:17:11,310 tell their own lives and it's too bad I 3394 02:17:16,940 --> 02:17:14,760 I think that the skunk works is a key to 3395 02:17:18,620 --> 02:17:16,950 the whole mystery that if anyone in the 3396 02:17:20,780 --> 02:17:18,630 private sector were to be given the 3397 02:17:22,610 --> 02:17:20,790 hardware recovered from some crash site 3398 02:17:24,169 --> 02:17:22,620 or something and somebody hands it over 3399 02:17:26,600 --> 02:17:24,179 and said figure out how this works it 3400 02:17:30,410 --> 02:17:26,610 would be them been rich the late been 3401 02:17:34,190 --> 02:17:30,420 rich gave many hints to that effect he 3402 02:17:36,440 --> 02:17:34,200 said to aviation writers that all of us 3403 02:17:38,090 --> 02:17:36,450 know that that we have things that could 3404 02:17:40,280 --> 02:17:38,100 go to the stars that would make George 3405 02:17:42,500 --> 02:17:40,290 Lucas drool anything you could imagine 3406 02:17:45,200 --> 02:17:42,510 we can already do it were 50 years ahead 3407 02:17:48,169 --> 02:17:45,210 of it he talked about UFOs as being real 3408 02:17:50,660 --> 02:17:48,179 both man-made and made by somebody else 3409 02:17:52,640 --> 02:17:50,670 I had a chance to interview Ben rich on 3410 02:17:55,100 --> 02:17:52,650 the tarmac at Nellis Air Force Base on 3411 02:17:57,140 --> 02:17:55,110 the day that the f-117 was first made 3412 02:17:59,930 --> 02:17:57,150 public and I asked him the question hey 3413 02:18:03,379 --> 02:17:59,940 mr. rich the story's been told that you 3414 02:18:05,810 --> 02:18:03,389 developed these plane and the and others 3415 02:18:06,310 --> 02:18:05,820 with alien technology and he he stopped 3416 02:18:09,550 --> 02:18:06,320 and he had 3417 02:18:11,080 --> 02:18:09,560 and smiled a wry kind of smile and they 3418 02:18:13,450 --> 02:18:11,090 said now obsessed good old American 3419 02:18:15,220 --> 02:18:13,460 technology but I know in a deathbed 3420 02:18:17,470 --> 02:18:15,230 confession that he said it's much more 3421 02:18:20,590 --> 02:18:17,480 than that that these secrets are so 3422 02:18:22,690 --> 02:18:20,600 black it's so far down in the hole they 3423 02:18:24,130 --> 02:18:22,700 will never come out for national 3424 02:18:26,200 --> 02:18:24,140 security reasons which I think are 3425 02:18:28,541 --> 02:18:26,210 completely exaggerated and it's a shame 3426 02:18:30,370 --> 02:18:28,551 yeah I especially loved his comment 3427 02:18:31,900 --> 02:18:30,380 tickle was to a symposium of engineers 3428 02:18:34,960 --> 02:18:31,910 something about we have the technology 3429 02:18:36,430 --> 02:18:34,970 to take e.t home or something yeah 3430 02:18:38,800 --> 02:18:36,440 exactly 3431 02:18:41,110 --> 02:18:38,810 okay I have a number of questions from 3432 02:18:43,270 --> 02:18:41,120 Blaby boy that kind of goes into your 3433 02:18:45,880 --> 02:18:43,280 work as a investigative journalist and 3434 02:18:48,520 --> 02:18:45,890 he says first of all thanks for bringing 3435 02:18:50,350 --> 02:18:48,530 a bit more bite to the hosts on coast to 3436 02:18:54,070 --> 02:18:50,360 coast in terms of quizzing guests on the 3437 02:18:56,800 --> 02:18:54,080 show but I have to also second that that 3438 02:18:58,740 --> 02:18:56,810 comment he's interested in how other 3439 02:19:01,090 --> 02:18:58,750 reporters there in the Vegas area 3440 02:19:03,430 --> 02:19:01,100 handles some of these types of stories 3441 02:19:05,590 --> 02:19:03,440 and you know you are quite courageous to 3442 02:19:08,230 --> 02:19:05,600 go out and and really dig into stories 3443 02:19:12,910 --> 02:19:08,240 that aren't shall we say they could 3444 02:19:14,860 --> 02:19:12,920 possibly be controversial especially 3445 02:19:17,410 --> 02:19:14,870 stories like bob lazar and the like 3446 02:19:19,570 --> 02:19:17,420 which we've already discussed but he's 3447 02:19:21,670 --> 02:19:19,580 guessing gladdie boy is that you get 3448 02:19:24,400 --> 02:19:21,680 leads and tips frequently for strange 3449 02:19:26,200 --> 02:19:24,410 happenings in your area do you know of 3450 02:19:28,360 --> 02:19:26,210 any other hosts or reporters for other 3451 02:19:31,450 --> 02:19:28,370 TV networks that have the same goal or 3452 02:19:33,430 --> 02:19:31,460 interest I'm not expecting names but he 3453 02:19:35,200 --> 02:19:33,440 does wonder if there are a small number 3454 02:19:37,210 --> 02:19:35,210 in your profession who may tip each 3455 02:19:40,180 --> 02:19:37,220 other off if they hear of incidents in 3456 02:19:42,250 --> 02:19:40,190 the region or in their network coverage 3457 02:19:44,230 --> 02:19:42,260 or stories that they're working on maybe 3458 02:19:47,650 --> 02:19:44,240 they don't want to do that maybe they 3459 02:19:49,900 --> 02:19:47,660 think you can or vice versa or is it a 3460 02:19:51,850 --> 02:19:49,910 truly lonesome task and others would 3461 02:19:53,740 --> 02:19:51,860 only cover it if they're ordered to do 3462 02:19:56,440 --> 02:19:53,750 it in other words George is are there 3463 02:20:00,820 --> 02:19:56,450 any other reporters out there with the 3464 02:20:03,310 --> 02:20:00,830 stature and the you know you're you're 3465 02:20:04,930 --> 02:20:03,320 the guy there and he I think what he's 3466 02:20:06,850 --> 02:20:04,940 wondering is is there anybody else 3467 02:20:10,211 --> 02:20:06,860 that's willing to to take these risks 3468 02:20:11,410 --> 02:20:10,221 that you take I don't think so I and you 3469 02:20:12,970 --> 02:20:11,420 know a lot of it has to do with the 3470 02:20:15,160 --> 02:20:12,980 nature of the business people come in to 3471 02:20:16,720 --> 02:20:15,170 Las Vegas in the journalism profession 3472 02:20:18,341 --> 02:20:16,730 they want to be here for a couple of 3473 02:20:19,179 --> 02:20:18,351 years and then go to some bigger market 3474 02:20:22,840 --> 02:20:19,189 so they don't stick 3475 02:20:24,849 --> 02:20:22,850 alabanza had a lot stature and you got 3476 02:20:28,179 --> 02:20:24,859 to have some kind of a background you 3477 02:20:30,489 --> 02:20:28,189 know Chris and Jean both you it's a big 3478 02:20:31,929 --> 02:20:30,499 learning curve to get over the hump on 3479 02:20:34,120 --> 02:20:31,939 this thing it takes a long time to 3480 02:20:36,340 --> 02:20:34,130 figure out what's real what isn't you 3481 02:20:38,590 --> 02:20:36,350 figure out who the absolute charlatans 3482 02:20:40,719 --> 02:20:38,600 are two separate wheat from chaff it 3483 02:20:42,729 --> 02:20:40,729 takes time and and that in the TV 3484 02:20:44,679 --> 02:20:42,739 business not many people have the time 3485 02:20:47,439 --> 02:20:44,689 they get a new assignment every day 3486 02:20:50,439 --> 02:20:47,449 there is no such thing as a beat system 3487 02:20:51,910 --> 02:20:50,449 and and a lot of it has to do with other 3488 02:20:55,179 --> 02:20:51,920 people don't cover it because they 3489 02:20:56,889 --> 02:20:55,189 figure it's my beat and and and you know 3490 02:20:58,420 --> 02:20:56,899 maybe they'll do it in sweeps for a 3491 02:21:01,139 --> 02:20:58,430 quick rating spike but that's about it 3492 02:21:04,029 --> 02:21:01,149 there is no secret network of people who 3493 02:21:06,340 --> 02:21:04,039 share information in this regard I am 3494 02:21:08,739 --> 02:21:06,350 sad to say I would also think here that 3495 02:21:10,479 --> 02:21:08,749 some of those people are thinking look 3496 02:21:13,000 --> 02:21:10,489 I'm going to get into LA New York 3497 02:21:15,609 --> 02:21:13,010 Chicago or something I don't want to get 3498 02:21:17,769 --> 02:21:15,619 involved in this UFO stuff that's going 3499 02:21:19,779 --> 02:21:17,779 to hurt my reputation yeah it does you 3500 02:21:21,729 --> 02:21:19,789 no favors I think you know I'm happy 3501 02:21:24,550 --> 02:21:21,739 where I am i bad offers to go elsewhere 3502 02:21:26,260 --> 02:21:24,560 but I I wouldn't want to do it I have so 3503 02:21:28,809 --> 02:21:26,270 much freedom to do what I want here and 3504 02:21:30,639 --> 02:21:28,819 it's a great news market but I'm sure 3505 02:21:33,160 --> 02:21:30,649 that the UFO stuff has put some sort of 3506 02:21:35,229 --> 02:21:33,170 an upper cap on my career if I wanted to 3507 02:21:39,340 --> 02:21:35,239 try to go somewhere because everywhere I 3508 02:21:42,279 --> 02:21:39,350 go I'm the UFO guy I mean in journalism 3509 02:21:44,949 --> 02:21:42,289 circles and yeah you know you're in 3510 02:21:45,519 --> 02:21:44,959 blind and stained yeah that's alright 3511 02:21:47,529 --> 02:21:45,529 that's okay 3512 02:21:49,179 --> 02:21:47,539 comes with the territory well it sure 3513 02:21:52,179 --> 02:21:49,189 does out out in that neck of the woods 3514 02:21:53,889 --> 02:21:52,189 with that's for and you know dreamland 3515 02:21:55,779 --> 02:21:53,899 everything out there I mean it's it's 3516 02:22:00,069 --> 02:21:55,789 it's kind of your your ace in the hole 3517 02:22:01,779 --> 02:22:00,079 and your your way to sort of say we'll 3518 02:22:03,880 --> 02:22:01,789 look you know a lot of this stuff is 3519 02:22:06,639 --> 02:22:03,890 being misconstrued we need to you know 3520 02:22:09,160 --> 02:22:06,649 separate what is you know what's 3521 02:22:11,649 --> 02:22:09,170 homegrown and what maybe possibly some 3522 02:22:14,469 --> 02:22:11,659 something else and and that is probably 3523 02:22:17,080 --> 02:22:14,479 the only market where where you would be 3524 02:22:19,960 --> 02:22:17,090 able to really do that a major market 3525 02:22:22,569 --> 02:22:19,970 well you're right and that more most of 3526 02:22:24,580 --> 02:22:22,579 what I do in this arena is more weeding 3527 02:22:27,399 --> 02:22:24,590 stuff out and explaining things no 3528 02:22:29,649 --> 02:22:27,409 that's a bolide media or going down to 3529 02:22:32,290 --> 02:22:29,659 the Colorado River a couple of years ago 3530 02:22:32,910 --> 02:22:32,300 when some odd craft had been seen down 3531 02:22:35,219 --> 02:22:32,920 there 3532 02:22:36,840 --> 02:22:35,229 aliens invading our flying saucer I'm 3533 02:22:38,580 --> 02:22:36,850 pretty sure it was some sort of a test 3534 02:22:40,920 --> 02:22:38,590 aircraft that sort of got off the 3535 02:22:44,010 --> 02:22:40,930 reservation or something explaining 3536 02:22:45,780 --> 02:22:44,020 things missile shots from Vandenberg 3537 02:22:48,899 --> 02:22:45,790 things of that sort I don't get a whole 3538 02:22:51,330 --> 02:22:48,909 lot of really interesting crisp UFO 3539 02:22:53,969 --> 02:22:51,340 sightings and what do you do with it 3540 02:22:56,399 --> 02:22:53,979 what do you do with it even if it's good 3541 02:22:58,889 --> 02:22:56,409 even if you've got the video to go along 3542 02:23:01,260 --> 02:22:58,899 with it it's not much you can do with it 3543 02:23:03,389 --> 02:23:01,270 other than show look here it is you know 3544 02:23:06,240 --> 02:23:03,399 there's not much investigation that goes 3545 02:23:08,160 --> 02:23:06,250 into it after you show the video well in 3546 02:23:10,500 --> 02:23:08,170 and I think we should remind our 3547 02:23:10,950 --> 02:23:10,510 listeners that you're not a one-trick 3548 02:23:14,300 --> 02:23:10,960 pony 3549 02:23:16,800 --> 02:23:14,310 I mean your award-winning work with with 3550 02:23:19,200 --> 02:23:16,810 any number of stories including your 3551 02:23:22,769 --> 02:23:19,210 your 20-plus year Odyssey of reporting 3552 02:23:25,740 --> 02:23:22,779 on the wild horse scenario out there and 3553 02:23:28,229 --> 02:23:25,750 and you know the years and years of work 3554 02:23:31,889 --> 02:23:28,239 that you put in covering those you know 3555 02:23:34,920 --> 02:23:31,899 the story of those animals so I mean 3556 02:23:37,469 --> 02:23:34,930 there's it the Vegas isn't a bit a very 3557 02:23:39,000 --> 02:23:37,479 big city but it's very intense and 3558 02:23:40,679 --> 02:23:39,010 there's a lot of there's a lot of 3559 02:23:43,740 --> 02:23:40,689 newsworthy stuff that needs to be 3560 02:23:47,010 --> 02:23:43,750 reported on there he a black boy has 3561 02:23:49,979 --> 02:23:47,020 another couple of questions and oh but 3562 02:23:52,080 --> 02:23:49,989 this is a good one is there a particular 3563 02:23:54,559 --> 02:23:52,090 historical case that you would have 3564 02:23:58,229 --> 02:23:54,569 loved to have reported on and why I 3565 02:24:01,490 --> 02:23:58,239 guess he's not catching that as some 3566 02:24:04,439 --> 02:24:01,500 sort of paranormal or UFO case but 3567 02:24:06,660 --> 02:24:04,449 potentially is there some sort of case 3568 02:24:08,160 --> 02:24:06,670 that maybe you could have been involved 3569 02:24:11,250 --> 02:24:08,170 with or would have liked to have been 3570 02:24:12,420 --> 02:24:11,260 involved with in your career and you 3571 02:24:14,729 --> 02:24:12,430 know what you're all you're gonna answer 3572 02:24:16,769 --> 02:24:14,739 that question in just a moment George 3573 02:24:27,260 --> 02:24:16,779 Knapp joining Gina and Chris you're in 3574 02:24:31,949 --> 02:24:29,479 America's number one source for 3575 02:24:32,939 --> 02:24:31,959 independent authoring heals for over a 3576 02:24:38,010 --> 02:24:32,949 decade 3577 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--> 02:26:05,319 actually away from home fake TV easily 3605 02:26:09,779 --> 02:26:07,569 plugs into any outlet just like a light 3606 02:26:11,699 --> 02:26:09,789 on a timer and they're so easy to use 3607 02:26:13,920 --> 02:26:11,709 you just plug them in and they're ready 3608 02:26:16,559 --> 02:26:13,930 to go plus they're so affordable that we 3609 02:26:19,800 --> 02:26:16,569 have one upstairs and downstairs fake TV 3610 02:26:22,199 --> 02:26:19,810 is only 29.95 with free shipping order 3611 02:26:25,859 --> 02:26:22,209 your fake TV by calling eight seven 3612 02:26:28,469 --> 02:26:25,869 seven five fake TV or go to fate tv.com 3613 02:26:31,870 --> 02:26:28,479 that's eight seven seven five three two 3614 02:26:35,640 --> 02:26:31,880 five three eight eight or fake 3615 02:26:38,070 --> 02:26:35,650 calm fake TV the burglar deterrent 3616 02:26:40,570 --> 02:26:38,080 [Music] 3617 02:26:42,520 --> 02:26:40,580 virtually anyone could be tracking you 3618 02:26:44,860 --> 02:26:42,530 right now through your cell phone the 3619 02:26:47,710 --> 02:26:44,870 fact is anyone can track your calls your 3620 02:26:49,570 --> 02:26:47,720 text emails your every movement but only 3621 02:26:50,980 --> 02:26:49,580 if they could detect a signal that's the 3622 02:26:52,510 --> 02:26:50,990 new warning from the American Civil 3623 02:26:54,130 --> 02:26:52,520 Liberties Union it's just released the 3624 02:26:55,330 --> 02:26:54,140 results of an investigation that found 3625 02:26:57,460 --> 02:26:55,340 law enforcement agencies across the 3626 02:27:00,160 --> 02:26:57,470 country track personal cell phones on a 3627 02:27:01,960 --> 02:27:00,170 regular basis as a form of surveillance 3628 02:27:04,150 --> 02:27:01,970 that's why you need block it pocket 3629 02:27:06,400 --> 02:27:04,160 block it pocket is a standard or custom 3630 02:27:08,440 --> 02:27:06,410 designed cloth pocket infused with pure 3631 02:27:10,750 --> 02:27:08,450 silver that creates a complete Faraday 3632 02:27:12,580 --> 02:27:10,760 enclosure for any mobile device with 3633 02:27:14,110 --> 02:27:12,590 block eight pocket all incoming and 3634 02:27:16,150 --> 02:27:14,120 outgoing signals are blocked 3635 02:27:18,219 --> 02:27:16,160 including harmful radiation and your 3636 02:27:20,920 --> 02:27:18,229 device cannot be hacked or tracked by 3637 02:27:23,770 --> 02:27:20,930 anyone and made in the USA block it 3638 02:27:25,690 --> 02:27:23,780 pocket cost less than $30 and ships free 3639 02:27:28,150 --> 02:27:25,700 to the lower 48 call eight eight eight 3640 02:27:32,190 --> 02:27:28,160 three one five nine six one eight or 3641 02:27:36,670 --> 02:27:32,200 click bucket puckett spelled BL o ck IT 3642 02:27:39,130 --> 02:27:36,680 POC ket comm block it Puckett enhancing 3643 02:27:40,929 --> 02:27:39,140 health and privacy being prepared 3644 02:27:42,639 --> 02:27:40,939 against possible food shortages and 3645 02:27:46,530 --> 02:27:42,649 economic collapse is not complicated 3646 02:27:48,850 --> 02:27:46,540 just remember two words disaster stuff 3647 02:27:50,650 --> 02:27:48,860 addcom after those two words and you've 3648 02:27:53,320 --> 02:27:50,660 got just one site for all your 3649 02:27:55,330 --> 02:27:53,330 preparedness needs disaster stuff comm 3650 02:27:57,820 --> 02:27:55,340 prepares your family against food 3651 02:28:00,250 --> 02:27:57,830 shortages with linden farms freeze-dried 3652 02:28:02,530 --> 02:28:00,260 foods and buckets or gourmet reserves 3653 02:28:05,440 --> 02:28:02,540 freeze-dried food in number ten cans 3654 02:28:07,270 --> 02:28:05,450 both with free shipping purify and rid 3655 02:28:09,760 --> 02:28:07,280 your water of contaminants with a big 3656 02:28:12,460 --> 02:28:09,770 berkey or other Berkey system and get 3657 02:28:15,310 --> 02:28:12,470 free shipping plus a water level spigot 3658 02:28:17,230 --> 02:28:15,320 or fluoride filter at cost and protect 3659 02:28:20,710 --> 02:28:17,240 your radios and other electronics from 3660 02:28:22,330 --> 02:28:20,720 emps with our EMP faraday bags starting 3661 02:28:24,520 --> 02:28:22,340 at just five dollars and ninety cents 3662 02:28:26,650 --> 02:28:24,530 when the food shortages and economic 3663 02:28:29,350 --> 02:28:26,660 instability happens be ready 3664 02:28:32,770 --> 02:28:29,360 with all your stuff from disaster stuff 3665 02:28:36,040 --> 02:28:32,780 calm just remember two words disaster 3666 02:28:39,190 --> 02:28:36,050 stuff calm freedom through self-reliance 3667 02:28:46,600 --> 02:28:44,081 [Music] 3668 02:28:48,100 --> 02:28:46,610 this is the wrong plaque laughter of the 3669 02:28:53,850 --> 02:28:48,110 couple on cycle feet in other books 3670 02:28:58,691 --> 02:28:56,591 George Knapp joining Jean and Chris in 3671 02:29:02,111 --> 02:28:58,701 the para cast asking so many of your 3672 02:29:04,331 --> 02:29:02,121 questions at forum dr. Peric ascom just 3673 02:29:06,761 --> 02:29:04,341 before we did the break Chris asked a 3674 02:29:09,341 --> 02:29:06,771 rather long question one of our regular 3675 02:29:11,951 --> 02:29:09,351 listeners George your response I think 3676 02:29:15,071 --> 02:29:11,961 maybe one of the most interesting and 3677 02:29:18,761 --> 02:29:15,081 persuasive cases is the Iranian Air 3678 02:29:20,591 --> 02:29:18,771 Force incident I think it was 1976 our 3679 02:29:24,371 --> 02:29:20,601 government did the best to hide the 3680 02:29:27,011 --> 02:29:24,381 documents these warplanes this giant UFO 3681 02:29:29,261 --> 02:29:27,021 was seen flying around war planes went 3682 02:29:32,470 --> 02:29:29,271 after it their radios were disabled 3683 02:29:34,661 --> 02:29:32,480 their military equipment their offensive 3684 02:29:36,701 --> 02:29:34,671 capabilities were disabled a pretty 3685 02:29:38,291 --> 02:29:36,711 well-documented case that that I think 3686 02:29:40,541 --> 02:29:38,301 was is very persuasive 3687 02:29:42,521 --> 02:29:40,551 especially when you read about it in in 3688 02:29:44,531 --> 02:29:42,531 documents that were once classified I 3689 02:29:48,941 --> 02:29:44,541 think that Jay Al the Japan Airlines 3690 02:29:51,491 --> 02:29:48,951 case Alaska with this gigantic UFO that 3691 02:29:53,501 --> 02:29:51,501 was detected on all sorts of radar it 3692 02:29:56,831 --> 02:29:53,511 looked like a a walnut that's twice as 3693 02:29:59,821 --> 02:29:56,841 big as a 747 and and I think they tried 3694 02:30:02,981 --> 02:29:59,831 to explain it as a way as lights 3695 02:30:04,901 --> 02:30:02,991 flashing off the fishing fleet below or 3696 02:30:07,061 --> 02:30:04,911 the planet Jupiter which is just 3697 02:30:08,921 --> 02:30:07,071 insulting those are pretty good cases of 3698 02:30:11,621 --> 02:30:08,931 course I wish I'd been around at Roswell 3699 02:30:13,511 --> 02:30:11,631 in 1947 when that happened to be there 3700 02:30:15,611 --> 02:30:13,521 to see what really goes on because that 3701 02:30:18,401 --> 02:30:15,621 I still suspect that that's an important 3702 02:30:21,371 --> 02:30:18,411 case but it is so hopelessly muddled the 3703 02:30:24,311 --> 02:30:21,381 water's so muddied over the years of so 3704 02:30:27,581 --> 02:30:24,321 many BS stories and phony witnesses and 3705 02:30:29,741 --> 02:30:27,591 counter competing claims I don't know 3706 02:30:31,781 --> 02:30:29,751 that it's ever going to be sorted out 3707 02:30:34,781 --> 02:30:31,791 the problem is I think for people like 3708 02:30:37,841 --> 02:30:34,791 the three of us that you know we we 3709 02:30:39,581 --> 02:30:37,851 strive to search for truth and get to 3710 02:30:41,711 --> 02:30:39,591 the bottom of what really is going on 3711 02:30:43,901 --> 02:30:41,721 the people who want to obscure these 3712 02:30:45,761 --> 02:30:43,911 facts are better at their jobs and we 3713 02:30:48,041 --> 02:30:45,771 are at ours and maybe it's easier for 3714 02:30:51,371 --> 02:30:48,051 them to hear things because they toss 3715 02:30:53,231 --> 02:30:51,381 out bogus explanations of scientists who 3716 02:30:55,571 --> 02:30:53,241 don't want to take on this topic are 3717 02:30:57,881 --> 02:30:55,581 only happy to grasp onto them and do 3718 02:31:00,190 --> 02:30:57,891 very little investigation and it becomes 3719 02:31:03,491 --> 02:31:00,200 frustrating ultimately it becomes very 3720 02:31:06,131 --> 02:31:03,501 frustrating to have media people and 3721 02:31:08,890 --> 02:31:06,141 scientists and government give so little 3722 02:31:11,171 --> 02:31:08,900 credence to the topic when we know that 3723 02:31:13,270 --> 02:31:11,181 there is is really good evidence to 3724 02:31:15,791 --> 02:31:13,280 pursue if somebody has the guts to 3725 02:31:17,411 --> 02:31:15,801 pursue it yeah boy 3726 02:31:19,921 --> 02:31:17,421 I know the feeling on that one 3727 02:31:22,541 --> 02:31:19,931 especially when it comes to the cow 3728 02:31:24,581 --> 02:31:22,551 question that I've been wrestling with 3729 02:31:27,100 --> 02:31:24,591 for quite some years I'm in the midst of 3730 02:31:30,701 --> 02:31:27,110 finishing up research and I'm writing 3731 02:31:32,650 --> 02:31:30,711 well I hope to be the definitive look at 3732 02:31:36,220 --> 02:31:32,660 the cattle mutilation phenomenon of 3733 02:31:39,940 --> 02:31:36,230 course your co-author Combe Kelleher did 3734 02:31:42,251 --> 02:31:39,950 a just an absolutely amazing job with 3735 02:31:43,900 --> 02:31:42,261 his book brain trust which along with 3736 02:31:46,571 --> 02:31:43,910 hunts of the skin marker I highly 3737 02:31:47,230 --> 02:31:46,581 recommend I think this is a huge news 3738 02:31:49,301 --> 02:31:47,240 story 3739 02:31:52,921 --> 02:31:49,311 I think the beef Lobby in this country 3740 02:31:56,201 --> 02:31:52,931 is somehow suppressing knowledge of 3741 02:31:59,411 --> 02:31:56,211 potential food chain problems in beef 3742 02:32:02,501 --> 02:31:59,421 and other animals chicken pork and as 3743 02:32:06,011 --> 02:32:02,511 well but it does take a certain amount 3744 02:32:08,411 --> 02:32:06,021 of cojones to dig into some of these 3745 02:32:10,571 --> 02:32:08,421 types of stories and this is another 3746 02:32:11,890 --> 02:32:10,581 kind of procedural question from black 3747 02:32:14,591 --> 02:32:11,900 people and I think it's a good one 3748 02:32:16,331 --> 02:32:14,601 is there a tip-off or a lead that you've 3749 02:32:19,661 --> 02:32:16,341 ignored that turned out to be bigger 3750 02:32:22,211 --> 02:32:19,671 than you thought and what kind of did 3751 02:32:24,791 --> 02:32:22,221 you just report the facts or do you have 3752 02:32:26,680 --> 02:32:24,801 an end goal in mind you just let the 3753 02:32:30,161 --> 02:32:26,690 facts lead you where you where they do 3754 02:32:32,140 --> 02:32:30,171 or do you actually kind of go on hunches 3755 02:32:34,600 --> 02:32:32,150 and look for supporting information 3756 02:32:37,961 --> 02:32:34,610 where you would normally not and cat 3757 02:32:39,461 --> 02:32:37,971 have you ever not let's say gone after a 3758 02:32:42,761 --> 02:32:39,471 particular story that turned out to be a 3759 02:32:45,701 --> 02:32:42,771 big a big deal one that would come to 3760 02:32:47,440 --> 02:32:45,711 mind for me would be you know the Arabs 3761 02:32:50,501 --> 02:32:47,450 leaving and being able to fly out of 3762 02:32:53,081 --> 02:32:50,511 Vegas and in Los Angeles the day after 3763 02:32:54,791 --> 02:32:53,091 9/11 that would be a story that I felt 3764 02:32:56,951 --> 02:32:54,801 didn't didn't get enough attention but 3765 02:32:59,171 --> 02:32:56,961 but how about you I mean that's a wild 3766 02:33:00,671 --> 02:32:59,181 in Rakas town have there been some 3767 02:33:02,890 --> 02:33:00,681 stories that you could have jumped on 3768 02:33:05,081 --> 02:33:02,900 you didn't yeah I'm gonna think about 3769 02:33:07,180 --> 02:33:05,091 how to approach this I'm sure I'm sure 3770 02:33:10,031 --> 02:33:07,190 there's there's tons I mean there's only 3771 02:33:11,110 --> 02:33:10,041 so much to go around you know and then 3772 02:33:13,900 --> 02:33:11,120 this is a really 3773 02:33:16,570 --> 02:33:13,910 he came he got all low all roads lead to 3774 02:33:19,480 --> 02:33:16,580 Las Vegas rich people and sports casters 3775 02:33:21,700 --> 02:33:19,490 and sports figures and celebrities drug 3776 02:33:23,410 --> 02:33:21,710 dealers and every mare do well on the 3777 02:33:26,110 --> 02:33:23,420 planet ends up coming here you can't 3778 02:33:29,290 --> 02:33:26,120 believe how many fugitives we get bank 3779 02:33:32,670 --> 02:33:29,300 managers of the bezel a big pile of 3780 02:33:35,170 --> 02:33:32,680 money people on the run gangsters 3781 02:33:36,970 --> 02:33:35,180 crooked politicians I mean it's a great 3782 02:33:39,490 --> 02:33:36,980 news town so I've missed plenty of them 3783 02:33:42,700 --> 02:33:39,500 because there just aren't enough hours 3784 02:33:44,710 --> 02:33:42,710 in the day you know and that one that 3785 02:33:46,870 --> 02:33:44,720 you mentioned about the Saudis being 3786 02:33:48,580 --> 02:33:46,880 here we didn't even know for a while you 3787 02:33:50,440 --> 02:33:48,590 know and and we're pretty man about it 3788 02:33:52,420 --> 02:33:50,450 that we didn't even know for a while 3789 02:33:54,790 --> 02:33:52,430 about the 9/11 guys being here in town 3790 02:33:57,580 --> 02:33:54,800 there have been several meetings I know 3791 02:34:00,490 --> 02:33:57,590 for a fact that there have been four 3792 02:34:03,820 --> 02:34:00,500 raised by suspected terrorists they come 3793 02:34:05,620 --> 02:34:03,830 in posing as tourists take pictures have 3794 02:34:09,130 --> 02:34:05,630 been caught sort of in sensitive areas 3795 02:34:11,591 --> 02:34:09,140 around hotels soft targets sort of like 3796 02:34:13,450 --> 02:34:11,601 Mumbai and Miss Authority doesn't get 3797 02:34:14,860 --> 02:34:13,460 much traction I've done a little bit of 3798 02:34:16,301 --> 02:34:14,870 reporting on that but nobody wants to 3799 02:34:18,820 --> 02:34:16,311 say it because they don't want to scare 3800 02:34:20,830 --> 02:34:18,830 people away from Las Vegas the fact is 3801 02:34:23,170 --> 02:34:20,840 that stuff does happen and and I think 3802 02:34:24,700 --> 02:34:23,180 it beats more reporting in the UFO area 3803 02:34:27,100 --> 02:34:24,710 there's tons of stuff I wish I could 3804 02:34:29,650 --> 02:34:27,110 could report but you do have to follow 3805 02:34:31,720 --> 02:34:29,660 your gut and a lot of times people call 3806 02:34:34,720 --> 02:34:31,730 you up with just bits and pieces of the 3807 02:34:35,710 --> 02:34:34,730 story they can't support any of it so 3808 02:34:37,570 --> 02:34:35,720 you have to let it go 3809 02:34:39,790 --> 02:34:37,580 I mean you have to you know there there 3810 02:34:43,930 --> 02:34:39,800 are bills to pay and stories to do a 3811 02:34:46,060 --> 02:34:43,940 newscast to fill and unless a UFO story 3812 02:34:47,830 --> 02:34:46,070 is particularly compelling and is 3813 02:34:49,750 --> 02:34:47,840 related to Nevada something that's 3814 02:34:52,511 --> 02:34:49,760 specific to my area where I work I 3815 02:34:54,700 --> 02:34:52,521 really can't pursue it yeah exactly I 3816 02:34:56,591 --> 02:34:54,710 mean you you do have those that regional 3817 02:34:59,620 --> 02:34:56,601 sort of market handcuff pair of 3818 02:35:01,420 --> 02:34:59,630 handcuffs on yeah unless maybe some big 3819 02:35:04,301 --> 02:35:01,430 mothership came down and sucked up the 3820 02:35:08,710 --> 02:35:04,311 Luxor or landed other Luxor and it was 3821 02:35:10,600 --> 02:35:08,720 like a giant key or something by the way 3822 02:35:12,551 --> 02:35:10,610 dress if you are going to finish this 3823 02:35:15,220 --> 02:35:12,561 mutilation book I sure hope you'll 3824 02:35:16,270 --> 02:35:15,230 consider giving me an interview even 3825 02:35:19,900 --> 02:35:16,280 though it's the hated coast-to-coast 3826 02:35:23,110 --> 02:35:19,910 show it's a big audience and I'm George 3827 02:35:23,950 --> 02:35:23,120 I think coast-to-coast is a great show 3828 02:35:26,260 --> 02:35:23,960 and when you're 3829 02:35:28,600 --> 02:35:26,270 there's the host and believe me I'm one 3830 02:35:32,190 --> 02:35:28,610 of your biggest fans I think you are you 3831 02:35:34,270 --> 02:35:32,200 know one of the best if not the best 3832 02:35:36,190 --> 02:35:34,280 interviewer that that show has ever had 3833 02:35:38,230 --> 02:35:36,200 art Belle you know was very good at what 3834 02:35:41,560 --> 02:35:38,240 he did but there was a certain amount of 3835 02:35:43,300 --> 02:35:41,570 entertainment value you really you go 3836 02:35:45,820 --> 02:35:43,310 for it and you really want to know the 3837 02:35:48,730 --> 02:35:45,830 truth you want to dig in and really pull 3838 02:35:50,770 --> 02:35:48,740 out the pertinent information and I 3839 02:35:53,170 --> 02:35:50,780 think you're more like Jean and myself 3840 02:35:55,180 --> 02:35:53,180 and and and a few others in this field 3841 02:35:57,430 --> 02:35:55,190 that are really looking at getting to 3842 02:35:59,710 --> 02:35:57,440 the to the heart of these matters I have 3843 02:36:01,390 --> 02:35:59,720 one good kind of final question here I 3844 02:36:03,730 --> 02:36:01,400 think we're kind of running out of time 3845 02:36:06,010 --> 02:36:03,740 but it's a little bit open-ended but 3846 02:36:09,190 --> 02:36:06,020 where do you think George this is all 3847 02:36:11,560 --> 02:36:09,200 going Blaby boy wants to know if you 3848 02:36:13,300 --> 02:36:11,570 actually feel what's happening in 3849 02:36:15,100 --> 02:36:13,310 regards to these strange events and 3850 02:36:16,510 --> 02:36:15,110 alleged cover-ups is really going 3851 02:36:19,660 --> 02:36:16,520 anywhere do you think we're going to be 3852 02:36:22,660 --> 02:36:19,670 spinning our wheels and and just kind of 3853 02:36:25,460 --> 02:36:22,670 rehashing Roswell for the next several 3854 02:36:29,370 --> 02:36:25,470 generations oh please don't give us that 3855 02:36:31,660 --> 02:36:29,380 [Laughter] 3856 02:36:38,560 --> 02:36:31,670 that's going to be our worst nightmare 3857 02:36:40,300 --> 02:36:38,570 yeah is there any hope you know Dean and 3858 02:36:42,340 --> 02:36:40,310 I sort of touched on a little bit but I 3859 02:36:44,440 --> 02:36:42,350 don't have a lot of hope I don't think 3860 02:36:46,510 --> 02:36:44,450 there's any dramatic disclosure coming 3861 02:36:49,330 --> 02:36:46,520 not from our government anyway if it 3862 02:36:52,060 --> 02:36:49,340 happens it's going to be at the hands of 3863 02:36:54,460 --> 02:36:52,070 the visitors the other intelligence or a 3864 02:36:56,230 --> 02:36:54,470 foreign government China or Russia or 3865 02:36:58,570 --> 02:36:56,240 Brazil we're not going to admit it 3866 02:37:00,219 --> 02:36:58,580 because we've lied about it for too long 3867 02:37:03,730 --> 02:37:00,229 you know we painted ourselves into a 3868 02:37:05,560 --> 02:37:03,740 corner I can't imagine any leader of 3869 02:37:07,480 --> 02:37:05,570 this country coming out with some kind 3870 02:37:09,730 --> 02:37:07,490 of a revelation because there's too many 3871 02:37:11,710 --> 02:37:09,740 other questions that would follow that 3872 02:37:15,100 --> 02:37:11,720 they can't answer so I think it 3873 02:37:18,370 --> 02:37:15,110 continues as a gradual process it seems 3874 02:37:21,580 --> 02:37:18,380 to me it feels to me as if the pace has 3875 02:37:23,380 --> 02:37:21,590 quickened in in the last year different 3876 02:37:25,390 --> 02:37:23,390 insiders coming forward with little 3877 02:37:27,760 --> 02:37:25,400 tidbits sort of running it up the 3878 02:37:29,770 --> 02:37:27,770 flagpole seeing how it goes and then 3879 02:37:31,930 --> 02:37:29,780 moving on to something else I think 3880 02:37:34,120 --> 02:37:31,940 that's I think that's part of a program 3881 02:37:35,650 --> 02:37:34,130 I wouldn't have said that a year ago I 3882 02:37:37,780 --> 02:37:35,660 wouldn't have said it maybe six months 3883 02:37:40,690 --> 02:37:37,790 ago but I've been told enough now 3884 02:37:43,269 --> 02:37:40,700 by people whose judgment I trust people 3885 02:37:45,130 --> 02:37:43,279 who travel in really interesting circles 3886 02:37:46,990 --> 02:37:45,140 but who are you know they don't want any 3887 02:37:49,420 --> 02:37:47,000 fingerprints on on something that they 3888 02:37:51,700 --> 02:37:49,430 tell to me that it is happening that it 3889 02:37:55,179 --> 02:37:51,710 is real that there is a faction finally 3890 02:37:57,550 --> 02:37:55,189 that wants to pick up the pace and get 3891 02:37:59,110 --> 02:37:57,560 us ready for something in case somebody 3892 02:38:00,969 --> 02:37:59,120 else makes an announcement or in case 3893 02:38:02,830 --> 02:38:00,979 there's an event that's unforeseen I 3894 02:38:04,630 --> 02:38:02,840 hope that's the case you know there's 3895 02:38:06,130 --> 02:38:04,640 people like Stan Freedman been at this 3896 02:38:08,950 --> 02:38:06,140 for so long 3897 02:38:11,230 --> 02:38:08,960 dedicated their entire lives 60 years or 3898 02:38:13,780 --> 02:38:11,240 more and they're nope we're no closer to 3899 02:38:16,179 --> 02:38:13,790 we're not one bit closer to answering 3900 02:38:17,910 --> 02:38:16,189 any of the big questions I always said I 3901 02:38:21,040 --> 02:38:17,920 hope this is gonna happen before I reach 3902 02:38:21,870 --> 02:38:21,050 114 which i think is next year some 3903 02:38:24,429 --> 02:38:21,880 people think of that 3904 02:38:28,480 --> 02:38:24,439 so we can check you out of course at 3905 02:38:31,179 --> 02:38:28,490 klas TV channel 8 in las vegas we can 3906 02:38:33,790 --> 02:38:31,189 check chris out at our strange planet 3907 02:38:36,130 --> 02:38:33,800 calm and you can check us out we're 3908 02:38:38,559 --> 02:38:36,140 known as the power cast on twitter also 3909 02:38:41,139 --> 02:38:38,569 you go to the power cast comm check our 3910 02:38:43,330 --> 02:38:41,149 web portal our forums is so much more 3911 02:38:45,700 --> 02:38:43,340 than Gorge net thank you so much for 3912 02:38:48,849 --> 02:38:45,710 joining us this week on the power cast 3913 02:38:54,570 --> 02:38:48,859 thanks guys always a pleasure yeah thank 3914 02:39:01,120 --> 02:38:58,090 the para cast featuring gene Steinberg 3915 02:39:03,990 --> 02:39:01,130 and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted 3916 02:39:07,719 --> 02:39:04,000 presentation of making the impossible 3917 02:39:12,290 --> 02:39:07,729 Incorporated tune in next week for a new